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lars
Oct 26, 2002, 12:04 AM
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I read about Dan Osman trickling a hose down some sort of structure in his back yard to make an ice climb. Has anyone tried it? Does anyone have any ideas?
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wlderdude
Oct 26, 2002, 12:25 AM
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Last year a local shop (Hansen) put on an ice climbing festival. The falls they had planned on using were in an avanche danger area, but they had prepared an artificail wall.
It was some scafolding wraped with chain link fence and or chicken wire (I think it was both). They let the hose run over the structure for I think a week (that is the number that I remember hearing. I am not certain). They had several climbs, all on top rope and they lasted all day despite SERIOUS use and abuse.
Of course the ground was also a big sheet of ice so crampons were required anywhere near the wall.
Pretty cool.
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beyond_gravity
Oct 26, 2002, 1:34 AM
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They have one at the Canmore Ice Festival every year. Pretty funkey...
I'd like to try making one, that would be sweet!!
The ski hill here had a demo ice thing, it was a pile of snow that they sprayed with water, it wasn't vertical and looked pretty crappy
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takeit4granite
Nov 2, 2002, 10:10 PM
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My first attempt at ice farming was on a backyard wooden fence. I hung a bunch of old towels all over the fence and soaked them each night with the garden hose (which subsequently froze solid and cracked). Once the hose died I just poured buckets of water over the towels a couple times a day and BINGO I had a traverse wall in two weeks!
I just hope you live somewhere cold enough!
Good luck.
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monkeyarm
Nov 2, 2002, 11:05 PM
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There used to be a place around (it burned down) here that would set up chicken wire and set up a hose that would consantly drip water down it and it would eventually freeze into an ice climb
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beyond_gravity
Nov 3, 2002, 8:09 PM
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the fence and towles sounds interesting. but i'm wonder, would it kill the grass underneither when spring rolls around? my parents wouldnt be too impressed with that...
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takeit4granite
Nov 6, 2002, 11:50 PM
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The ice will not kill the grass, but your crampons will leave some impact. Roll out some old carpet and voila sans impact to the backyard! Watch out for damage to the wood with picks if you use the fence or a tree.
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mtnsprts
Nov 7, 2002, 12:10 AM
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If you are able to, set it up in the garden...the ice is actually kind of hard on the grass....
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geoteck
Nov 7, 2002, 12:20 AM
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How much water would that use???
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beyond_gravity
Nov 7, 2002, 2:24 AM
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I'm sort of worried about wreaking the fence...would the water get into the wood, freeze, and crack it?? Is the fence supporting the the ice? or is it self supporting?
Does anyone think I could just make a 2x4 frame and drape bed sheets over it??
Thanks! i'm getting excited
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sparky
Nov 7, 2002, 2:39 AM
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I've seen people do itbut never done this with ice, I've done it w/snow. At the Home Depot my friend bought some fitting for a garden hose and an air chuck, put them on a pipe and hooked it up. . . instant snow. We just had to play with the bore size to get snow, i imagine if you made the bore smaller you could aim the spray at whatever you wanted and it would turn to ice and use way less than just running the hose at night, all you need is an air compressor and a hose.
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moabbeth
Nov 7, 2002, 3:00 AM
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Even though you likely don't have a deep river gorge in your backyard, you may want to give a look to www.ourayicepark.com. Ouray Ice Park was envisioned, built and crafted mainly all locals and volunteers. If they can accomplish this amazing park, I'm sure they'd be happy to give you some advice on how you can build your own version at home, they should have some sound advice and safety tips. They're friendly folk who I'm sure could give you some decent pointers.
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tradguy
Nov 7, 2002, 1:56 PM
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I considered doing this, but could never find any info on flow rate. The problem is, too much flow and it doesn't freeze before it runs down to the ground, but not enough flow could cause the water to freeze up in the hose and into the house and burst the pipe. (this was when I lived in Minnesota and the temp got down to -20 or lower at night) That would definitely be bad. Anyone have any experience with the flow rates? I mean, do you just crank it all the way open or what?
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kman
Nov 7, 2002, 2:13 PM
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When I was a kid, there was a loooong hill next to our townhomes, and each winter we would through buckets of water on it. One year we had a 2 inch thick layer of clear ice about 4 feet wide and about 250 meters long ending with a long snow transition. Man you would get moving friggin fast!
Anyways...good point about the pipes.
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cdb1386
Nov 7, 2002, 2:41 PM
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Ouray has these diffuser which spray the water out so as it has more of chance to cool and freeze thus thickening the climb.
I think the flowrate would have a lot to do with the temperature and how the water is applied to the surface. Experiment and you could also try and email the Ouray Ice Park for help.
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tradklime
Nov 7, 2002, 5:33 PM
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The diffuseres are basically misting shower heads, should be easy to find and cheap. The dispersion method will essentially control the flow rate. I think the main consideration with freezing is that it won't freeze in the pipes if the water is flowing. Make sure you construct your piping system such that you can drain the pipes when you are not running water. Put a "T" on the low spot and with a valve out the bottom.
On edit: The ice park may also use an air compressor to blow out the lines to ensure they are free of standing water.
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beyond_gravity
Nov 8, 2002, 11:23 PM
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how long would it take if I just used buckets of water?
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beyond_gravity
Nov 9, 2002, 1:47 AM
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Ok, i'm going to try this...however, my yard is totally flat. Is my basement going to flood when the ice starts to melt?
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vood00
Nov 14, 2002, 1:46 AM
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In my side yard we have an old pine tree which we stripped of it's branches. At the top we have anchors (huge lag bolts) and a diffuser made out of sections of pvc forming a ring. I have access to a wash basin in our basement where I hook up the hose and use the hot water tap. The hot water freezes faster once exposed to the air keeping the ice rink at the bottom to a minimum, but it keeps the hose from freezing at the same time. Last year the ice formed a little unevenly and we turned it off before the tree toppled onto our neighbor's garage. This year we have an improved diffuser and hopefully we will have 30 feet of almost vertical climbing.
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alpineice
Nov 19, 2002, 7:26 PM
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A friend of mine got a hold of a very tall ladder, set it up against a tree, ran the hose up to it, and voila! She had a very decent column.
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memorex15
Dec 9, 2008, 3:13 PM
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i had a buddy make an ice climb from this hayloft in his barn he waited till it was a really cold night hung towels from it soaked them with the hose then waited till they froze then just took a piece of thin sheet metal made it like a funnel so it could spread the water out over the hole climbing it was accually pretty sweet till the spring when there was a few holes in the barn from his axes and crampons. he just suggested that after some use just keep watering it like a backyard rink it will get think
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anykineclimb
Dec 9, 2008, 3:28 PM
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[quote "tradklime"]On edit: The ice park may also use an air compressor to blow out the lines to ensure they are free of standing water.
[ This Message was edited by: tradklime on 2002-11-07 09:35 ][/quote]
they actually use a blowtorch to melt the waater out. then the pressure from the penstock pushes the water out.
I've got some standing dead trees that work great for training. its tough to get OUT of the wood at times though but works your endurance nicely.
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landongw
Dec 12, 2008, 9:02 AM
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i just built one in my back yard. it's about 15 feet high, nine days old. i got a steel pipe, 12 foot i think, threaded on both ends and the hardware store and put a firemans nozzle on the end (like for a garden hose) so i could adjust the spray, then i built a small 2x4 frame to point it straight up in the air, attachd the garden hose and turned it on. I made sure that if it fell in any direction it wouldn't hit anything. you definitely want something to serve as a nucleus for the ice to form on, i just took bailing wire and strung it from the pipe to the ground. chicken wire, sheets, all that stuff is really not necessary if you're just building a small bouldering wall.
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altelis
Dec 12, 2008, 2:36 PM
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what this thread needs is more pics!
post'm up mates!
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