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djnibs
Sep 3, 2002, 12:21 AM
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I will admit that sometimes i do lower people fast, but i am always in control. i have never let anyone hit the ground, or come close to hitting the ground. it might go fast at the start, but near the ground, the brakes are applied, and the decent is perfect. i like to go fast. its the second best part of climbing up so high!!!! lol
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ryan112ryan
Sep 10, 2002, 10:00 PM
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hang him by his feet and huck a chalk ball at him for a couple of minutes, dropping people isn't kewl in any case, intentional or unintentional
[ This Message was edited by: ryan112ryan on 2002-09-10 15:00 ]
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drector
Sep 10, 2002, 10:17 PM
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I go climbing to climb. The belay is simply a tool to use for climbing, not a prop in a practical joke.
I've lowered fast too but I don't think this story if about a fast lower, it's about letting someone hit the ground which is the opposite of a good belay.
Not much you can do about it. I feel sorry for his group of friends that are going to get hurt one day doing this kind of s%#$.
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sauron
Sep 10, 2002, 10:38 PM
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bigevilgrape,
Climbing is not a game. Not even remotely.
So no, I have never dropped someone intentionally.
- d.
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jman
Sep 10, 2002, 10:56 PM
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I feel for me to climb my best and to push my limits, I have to have a great deal of trust in my belayer and confidence that they are are going to catch me if I fall. If my belayer thought it would be funny to drop me as a joke, I would have a few choice words for them and it would put doubts into my head about climbing with them again. I think it would be a good way to ruin a good climbing day.
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climbjs
Sep 10, 2002, 10:56 PM
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I had someone drop me, because he was mad that I wanted to re-lead a climb. The bothersome thing is that he agreed to belay, but dropped me also. It's a bunch of crap.
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dynov7
Sep 27, 2002, 1:22 AM
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I watched a newbie friend of mine do this the other day and it was very disturbing. But if the kid was that sorry about it there is a good chance he learned a lesson. That doesnt by any means excuse it but just let him know that that is totally unacceptable. Not only does it hurt that person that is dropped but it makes climbers look bad in general. Knowing your belayer helps too.
Climb On
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rockjock04
Sep 27, 2002, 2:08 AM
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It's buttholes like that that ruin things for the rest of us.
for example:
there is (or was) great climbing site in OH. But some mormon thought he was hot snot and decided to climb 60 foot cliffs without any protection; with no rope or anything. Well ya know what? He died. And now I am forced to climb 25 foot 5.8's all day long.
Dont be a weiner. Be safe.
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xanx
Sep 27, 2002, 2:41 AM
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it all depends on the circumstances. i am a belay slave at my gym, and i routinely give kids "fast" decents if they want them - but then again i do just about nothing but belay, plus it is TR and they are really light, so it is safe and all. depending on what kind of person he is, i have been known to give my friends a little scare, but i stop them well, WELL, above the ground. its an initiation type thing the first time i take them climbing. would i ever do it to someone over like 130lb? no. have i been dropped accidentally? yes. was i hurt? not at all (belayer got bad rope burns though). i would never do that sort of thing regularly though, and i don't let go fo the rope, i just give a really fast decent while still maintaining control.
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petsfed
Sep 27, 2002, 2:59 AM
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Dropping somebody for laughs? That's just asanine. The closest thing to doing stuff like that is "so close yet so far away" lower off. Hang 'em 1/2 an inch higher than their feet will go. Of course, in hindsight, it was really juvenile, and not very funny. By the same token, I haven't climbed with a rope in a gym in almost a year, and I don't lower off too much on lead. Having fallen nearly to the ground (the only part of me that actually had the ground fall was my heel), my partner and I don't pull that crap. The closest we get is the jokes to and from the crag where its an empty threat. "You do and I'll drop you @ss"
Mostly for stuff like forgetting the guidebook, or the once-committed-not-repeated forgotten harness.
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jprice
Sep 27, 2002, 3:51 AM
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That's not cool at all! And I definitely would've let him have it. I haven't noticed any other posts on this but a little knock like that can really put your spine out of alignment. I go to a chiropractor twice a week and extra if I take a hard fall while climbing or fall in general (which for some odd reason I'm quite prone to do in the rain).
Either way, it's not good for you or safe and just plain stupid.
Always climb safe!
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liudolf
Sep 27, 2002, 3:57 AM
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Frankly, I like to get lowered fast. It teaches me to LAND fast and be prepared, in case there's a problem with the belay equipment somehow. I like to think my gear is pretty bomber, but I can't count on that.
Doing it without the person being aware isn't cool, of course. To me, though, "dropping" and "lowering too fast" are similar, but not identical things. Dropping implies gross negligence or equipment failure or homicidal tendencies.
Lowering too fast is just bad judgement and could probably be fixed simply by talking to the schmuck. If the climber and belayer don't know each other well, it just shows EXTRAORDINARILY bad judgement on the part of the belayer.
But that's just me. I tend not to get so upset about those sorts of things, especially with soft landings in gyms and such.
Jeremy
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