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mortalmonkey
Jul 23, 2003, 5:03 AM
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alright. i was at my local climbing gym and i was showing my bud a bouldering route. his name is blake and he works there. we get to were my awsomely set up route was and i see a women with the bite of a rope in her belay loop and her kid several feet up(not more than 4 feet) blake didnt see it at firts but the women clled to him and asked,"ser, what do i do at the top to counterbalence my childs wait?" blake casualy took the rope away from her after the kid hopped off the wall. the worst part about it is that he said that this stuff happens all the time. parents who think they know more than the climbers. scary stuff if you ask me.
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phreakdigital
Jul 23, 2003, 6:07 AM
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unfortunatly...people have the right to be idiots.
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climbsomething
Jul 23, 2003, 7:23 AM
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Since when is "scary" synonymous with "incoherent" ?
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duskerhu
Jul 23, 2003, 12:30 PM
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Whats REAlly scary is your use of the English language and spelling...
Please tell me you're in 3rd grade or your native language is German or something!
People need to learn somewhere... Better for those types to be in the gym rather than out killing themselves on the real stuff.
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vagtobe
Jul 23, 2003, 12:51 PM
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I'm not suprised at all, I work at our local gym and we see stuff like that all the time. Here's a couple of examples.
1. I'm standing on the floor watching for just these types of things and I look over at this woman. Her kid is properly tied in and about half way up the wall. I look at the mom, then at the Gri-Gri lying on the floor, SHE'S JUST HOLDING THE OTHER END OF THE KIDS LINE!!! I would have liked to have seen the rope burn if that kid had actually fell.
2. This didn't happen to me personally, but I was told the story by a co-worker. A man ties in and does his climb, when he get's to the top he's standing on a couple of big holds and asks his belayer to take, so he can sit on the Gri-Gri. The belayer pulls and loe-and-behold the guys rope comes off his harness flips over the top rope bar and falls to the floor. apparently the idiot had tied the rope into JUST the keeper and when the belayer pulled, the keeper came undone and the rope fell off. They had to get the ladder out to get him down, everyones just glad he didn't fall or sit on the rope before his belayer took the slack.
Some peoples children...
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tradman
Jul 23, 2003, 1:14 PM
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I already told this story in another forum, but it's worth repeating...
About a year ago I was in the gym with my girlfriend, who'd only just started climbing, belaying me. I get part way up a route and look down to tell her to take before the crux, and see that one of the INSTRUCTORS is standing beside her, having told her to take her hands off the line to "correct her technique"!!!
Needless to say I let the whole place know I was a bit unhappy about that. It's not just members of the public who are morons sometimes...
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zacrobinson
Jul 23, 2003, 2:27 PM
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I've seen two people sneak under the ropes that go around the wall at A&M and start climbing. The girl that was going to climb tied the rope around her waist with a granny knot and the guy just held onto the other end of the rope. Luckily they were spotted before they got more than a foot off the ground.
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gthornberg
Jul 23, 2003, 3:36 PM
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I didn't understand what the original poster said at all. :shock:
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cloudbreak
Jul 23, 2003, 4:00 PM
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Mortalmonkey hasn't passed, and probably won't, the rc.com grammer test. Therefore, he is illegally posting.
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mortalmonkey
Jul 23, 2003, 4:38 PM
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yeah, sorry. what didnt make sence, can i explain? or is past the point of explaining? :twisted:
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gthornberg
Jul 23, 2003, 5:31 PM
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Sorry for picking on you mortalmonkey. Just having fun, but don't intend to offend. I too occasionally lack the ability to communicate and get lots of crap for it.
GT
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barryglading
Jul 23, 2003, 6:01 PM
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It sounds a bit like the guy who is your friend, who works there, wasn't paying attention to the customers, but rather more interested in playing with you on your route. Strikes me the gym employees should be there to (primarily) work and do what they get paid for. I suspect the gym owner pays huge liability insurance for his own protection, and could lose all benefits of that insurance if his emplyees are not keeping tabs on how this (in legal terms) 'dangerous' activity is being supervised.
Not to denigrate the point of your post, namely the antics of inexperienced parents, but there's something missing which bears thinking about.
Cheers
Barry
Oh, PS, there's a little 'spellcheck' button to the lower RH corner, perhaps that could come in handy too :wink:
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mortalmonkey
Jul 24, 2003, 3:12 AM
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In reply to: It sounds a bit like the guy who is your friend, who works there, wasn't paying attention to the customers, but rather more interested in playing with you on your route.
For one, my route was so amazing. also, blake works there but wasn't "on duty" he and i were climbing before he started his shift. thanks, i saw the spellcheck thing but never thought to use it. if it makes you all feel better i guess i do it. my fingers are just a we bit lazy with anything other than climbing. :roll:
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tradmanclimbs
Jul 24, 2003, 3:47 AM
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Seems to me that whatever happens on the gym floor is the responsibility of the staff running the gym. If you have people climbing that haven't benn properly trained then you will have accidents. As a martial arts instructor for 15 years I allways suscribed to the theory that whatever happens out on that floor is the direct responsibility of the highest ranking individual present. The climbing gym is a bit different in that there is obviously less military dissaplne yet there is still the responsibility of the staff to properly train the customers before setting them loose on the floor and there is also the responsibility to oversee their activitys while they are on the floor.
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mortalmonkey
Jul 24, 2003, 4:39 AM
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yes but that is the thing. in a way the staff has trained the customers. not in belaying but there are sixteen different auto belay systems in that gym and the staff gives each new customer an orientation. they teach them how to properly use the auto belay and that they need to be certified before belaying and what the quick draws are and everything. the customer who did this was told not to belay without certification and/or taking a class. because she hads been directly told all this i think that it is not the gyms full responsibility.
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darkside
Jul 24, 2003, 5:50 AM
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In reply to: yes but that is the thing. in a way the staff has trained the customers. not in belaying but there are sixteen different auto belay systems in that gym and the staff gives each new customer an orientation. they teach them how to properly use the auto belay and that they need to be certified before belaying and what the quick draws are and everything. the customer who did this was told not to belay without certification and/or taking a class. because she hads been directly told all this i think that it is not the gyms full responsibility.
Actually I think you will probably find that from a legal standpoint that while the staff may tell someone not to perform certain actions, the gym would be found negligent for failing to properly supervise the area and equipment. Had it been properly supervised, this woman would not have been able to start using the equipment.
I'm not saying this is fair or that the woman wasn't being foolish for using equipment she wasn't familiar with, merely that when it comes to apportioning responsibility, common sense and what you think have little bearing.
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mortalmonkey
Jul 24, 2003, 7:28 AM
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you knw what, your right. that makes alot of sence. other than my friend, there was only one other staff member down there. i guess they put to much faith in their climbers. yes the womens choice was stupid but the gym should have had some there to stop her. the only defence i have for the gym is that we caught her seconds after she started to belay her kid like that. i assume that someone would have seen it if we hadnt. i now find the defendent guilty as charged. i rest my case. :D
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frankfurter
Aug 27, 2003, 11:02 PM
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Hommie, scary and gym don't belong in the same sentence. Damn it! Look at me, i'm a hypocrite now!
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rvega
Aug 27, 2003, 11:46 PM
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I saw a woman fall from the top of a climbing wall, land on the rubber floor, bounce backwards, fly over the railing and land on her neck one half foot from me. It happened in super slow motion. Worse part was an instructor was belaying someone else and took them off while they were still climbing to help out. He almost made matters much worse. Luckily she only had a sprained back and didn't die or break her neck. Guess she didn't clip in right.
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paulc
Aug 28, 2003, 12:12 AM
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I vote boring.
Can we move on from the scary (eeek!!!) indoor gumbie stories yet.
Thanks y'all
Paul
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