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kevindubrau
Jul 23, 2004, 3:51 PM
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Recently I've heard a lot of the use of the terms onsight, send, solo, etc. in reference to slacklining. Most of these terms make sense to me in the slacklining context, with the exception of the term onsight. I haven't done a ton of slacklining, but is there really much "beta" gained from an attempt? Do you really need to suss things out before going for the redpoint? Or is this just a climbing term applied with slightly different conotations.
Before I get flamed, mad props for any onsight, slacklining included. I'm just curious.
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dredsovrn
Jul 23, 2004, 4:12 PM
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occlimbr
Jul 23, 2004, 4:21 PM
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Onsite would imply that you did it on your first try. Redpoint would be that you did it, but with falls on previous attemts.
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corpse
Jul 23, 2004, 4:23 PM
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What about pinkpointing? What about foot-doggin? Aid Slackling can also be fun..
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kevindubrau
Jul 23, 2004, 4:27 PM
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I'm all about aid slacklining, but I like to place gear on lead so no pink points for me anytime soon.
In reply to: Onsite would imply that you did it on your first try. Redpoint would be that you did it, but with falls on previous attemts.
I understand this, I was wondering if a slackline gets easier as you try it more because you get "beta" about it.
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petsfed
Jul 23, 2004, 4:38 PM
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With enough practice and repetition, you can learn the nuances of a particular line, the "sweet spot" so to speak to do tricks, where the line is tightest, loosest, most responsive, etc.
However, the inception of the redpoint, pinkpoint, onsight, etc. differentiations in climbing were to create a hierarchy. Is it so foreign to simply enjoy something without quantifying it? Seriously, who cares if you can slackline better than some dude in Moab? Are we as climbers so hopelessly inurred with this principle of achievement based enjoyment that we can't just kick back, have a beer, and slack? Slacklining is as everchanging as ice climbing, so the terms redpoint, onsight, pinkpoint, have no value outside of highly contrived circumstances. Short of high end mixed climbing, you can't onsight (per se) a frozen waterfall. It'll be completely different next year. It'll be completely different next month, week. It'll be different tomorrow. It'll be different in 2 hours. Same with a slackline. It will stretch, it will tighten, it will change over an afternoon. And in the end, it doesn't really matter how you did it, so long as you had fun.
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corpse
Jul 23, 2004, 4:42 PM
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petsfed - that pic of areyoumydude is of him aiding that slackline ;-) Must be pretty easy given he's drinkin a beer - surely not at the crux.
And yes, you can get more beta. For me, ppl tell me, "put one foot in front of the other". My problem, is I only get 1 step everytime. Now, if someone were to tell me "put left foot in front of right, then right in front of left", then I think I would get 2 steps.
Dont' forget about ice slacklining.. of course, that's where you drip water on your slackline till it freezes, then you walk it.
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kevindubrau
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thanks for the info petsfed
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slackdaddy
Jul 24, 2004, 2:27 AM
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I've only heard the term "onsight" in referance to a highline. To onsight a highline, no falls-first try, is a good trick that requires skill and balls.
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Jul 24, 2004, 2:32 AM
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too bad its not even a spurt
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areyoumydude
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In reply to: too bad its not even a spurt
Oh a spurt fan. Do you spit or swallow? :lol:
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Jul 25, 2004, 10:22 PM
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serious slacklining is ghey. Onsight slacklining :roll:
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cabal666
Jul 25, 2004, 10:28 PM
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i thought this page was about climbing
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skinnyjim
Jul 25, 2004, 10:28 PM
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In reply to: ema wrote: too bad its not even a spurt Oh a spurt fan. Do you spit or swallow? Laughing
That is pretty harsh.. I think someone needs some ointment for that burn..
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areyoumydude
Jul 25, 2004, 10:36 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: ema wrote: too bad its not even a spurt Oh a spurt fan. Do you spit or swallow? Laughing That is pretty harsh.. I think someone needs some ointment for that burn..
:lol: :lol: It would be harsh but ema is a troll. Although not a very good one. :x
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theturtle
Jul 25, 2004, 10:40 PM
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In reply to: Recently I've heard a lot of the use of the terms onsight, send, solo, etc. in reference to slacklining. Most of these terms make sense to me in the slacklining context, with the exception of the term onsight. I haven't done a ton of slacklining, but is there really much "beta" gained from an attempt? Do you really need to suss things out before going for the redpoint? Or is this just a climbing term applied with slightly different conotations?
Good question kevindubrau, like other forms of climbing, slackline has huge mental factors involved in sending.
To "on-site" a longline or highline requires the slacker to break the mental barriers on their own and walk the line no falls w/o seeing anyone else do it first.
Seeing someone send a line is going to break down some of the mental barriers and make the send eaiser. As in other forms of climbing, sending a line first try, after watching someone else do it is a "Flash."
The "beta" on slacklines is mostly mental, so most slackers don't use the term "red point", we prefer "send".
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Jul 25, 2004, 11:44 PM
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Does a solo of a highline mean it was done without any leash or protection?
Obviously a slow day in kateville.
-Kate.
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areyoumydude
Jul 26, 2004, 4:08 PM
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In reply to: Does a solo of a highline mean it was done without any leash or protection? Obviously a slow day in kateville. -Kate.
Yes, walking the line leashless would be a solo. Dean Potter, Shawn Snyder, and Darrin Carter are the only ones I Know of that do this.
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areyoumydude
Jul 26, 2004, 4:14 PM
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In reply to: serious slacklining is ghey. Onsight slacklining :roll:
The only thing I am serious about is having fun. Whether it be climbing or slacklining. Having terms like on-site and send for slacklining is just a way to describe what you did. Dissing slacklining just means you can't do it or are no good at it. I am sure I climb more than most of you slackline haters anyway, so in the immortal words of drkodos "feck off!"
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slacklinejoe
Jul 26, 2004, 5:53 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Does a solo of a highline mean it was done without any leash or protection? Obviously a slow day in kateville. -Kate. Yes, walking the line leashless would be a solo. Dean Potter, Shawn Snyder, and Darrin Carter are the only ones I Know of that do this.
Alright, I'll bite. Correction, about everyone does it leashless but they are the only ones I know of that do highlines that way- thus free soloers. I suppose that'd translate to making the rest of us "boulderers" since we go without a safety rope but usually not high up enough to really mess ourselves up. And of course we occasionally put in a high ball "problem" that we walk that's kinda high up for a comfortable fall.
And if you want to break it down even more, people with a higher than head safety line would be top roping and you'd be leading on a leash since you go for a whipper. Multipitch would have to be transfering between different lines.
That said, I still think trying for force divisions and categoration (sp) on a young budding free style sport isn't all that great of an idea. I'll be honest here, I slack because I like to slack, the last think I want to hear from a random passer by is "man check out that dude - he just kicked out a J12 move" (slackline move rated as a 12 with jumps). I'm pretty anti-competitive myself the I'd hate to see the sport degrade into a bunch of people who were just out having fun now seeking bragging rights of abritrary numbers and belittling those who can't hit certain moves.
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theturtle
Jul 26, 2004, 6:41 PM
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In reply to: However, the inception of the redpoint, pinkpoint, onsight, etc. differentiations in climbing were to create a hierarchy. Is it so foreign to simply enjoy something without quantifying it? Seriously, who cares if you can slackline better than some dude in Moab? Are we as climbers so hopelessly inurred with this principle of achievement based enjoyment that we can't just kick back, have a beer, and slack? ... And in the end, it doesn't really matter how you did it, so long as you had fun.
Petsfed: If you are trying to disrespect areyoumydude by linking his profile to your post, you're clearly missinformed. Larry is the least competitive climber/slacker I know. His Slacking is all about having fun, burning bowls, and drinking beer. I have seen him do all three w/o falling off the line. His photos are posted to inspire other slackers and spread the knowledge of what is possible.
It would appear from your post that you're the one who's competitive and jealous of areyoumydude's talent. Larry dosen't care if you are not as good as him or if you're better than him, he just loves to slack.
To quantify and name things is a natural aspect of human communication. If you are going to communicate with other slackers you will have to use a common language and accept all the consiquences, positive and negitive. If you don't wan't to communicate with the rest of us, you don't have to. I don't think we'll be missing anything.
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theturtle
Jul 26, 2004, 7:24 PM
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In reply to: Alright, I'll bite. Correction, about everyone does it leashless but they are the only ones I know of that do highlines that way- thus free soloers. I suppose that'd translate to making the rest of us "boulderers" since we go without a safety rope but usually not high up enough to really mess ourselves up. And of course we occasionally put in a high ball "problem" that we walk that's kinda high up for a comfortable fall. And if you want to break it down even more, people with a higher than head safety line would be top roping and you'd be leading on a leash since you go for a whipper. Multipitch would have to be transfering between different lines. That said, I still think trying for force divisions and categoration (sp) on a young budding free style sport isn't all that great of an idea. I'll be honest here, I slack because I like to slack, the last think I want to hear from a random passer by is "man check out that dude - he just kicked out a J12 move" (slackline move rated as a 12 with jumps). I'm pretty anti-competitive myself the I'd hate to see the sport degrade into a bunch of people who were just out having fun now seeking bragging rights of abritrary numbers and belittling those who can't hit certain moves.
No disrespect to you Joe, but I don't think your translation of slacklining to climbing terms works very well.
Slackers are not trying to convert every aspect of the sport into climbing terms, only the ones that apply. As an experienced climber of all styles, I can can say that the terms "on-sight", "flash" and "free-solo" are as appropriate to slackline as they are to climbing. As for bouldering, multi-pitch, and toprope, these terms don't really apply. Highlining is alot like leading except it is scarier than leading and more severe if you fall, I think comparing it to leading degrades the achivement of highlining.
Climbing grades are not ment to belittle anyone, people who feel bad because they don't perform at a certain level take themselves too seriously, as do people who feel good because other people don't climb at a certain level. So far however, no one has been able to accuratly quantify slackline so we don't have to worry about that yet.
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