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PigsOnDrugs
May 1, 2009, 4:15 AM
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this is why swine flu is goin around the damn pig doesnt like to back clip
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toboredtosleep
May 1, 2009, 5:53 AM
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PigsOnDrugs wrote: this is why swine flu is goin around the damn pig doesnt like to back clip
.......................................wow
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USnavy
May 1, 2009, 7:30 AM
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You should demonstrate what happens when you fall with the rope behind your leg. That happens far more the backcliped draws coming unclipped and the consequences are just as severe.
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toboredtosleep
May 1, 2009, 1:33 PM
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Read the the whole thread before you post. And this Thread is CLOSED.
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kennoyce
May 1, 2009, 2:50 PM
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There is no way to guarantee that a back clipped draw will unclip unless you have a way of keeping the biner completely steady, and throw your weight at the proper angle. A back clipped biner won't always unclip, in fact, the majority of the time it will hold just fine. The reason to teach people not to back clip is because back clipping increases the likelihood of the biner coming unclipped. It will be a better demonstration to just show this in your hand rather than throwing a weight and not coming unclipped thereby teaching people that backclipping is really not an issue.
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toboredtosleep
May 1, 2009, 3:35 PM
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READ THE WHOLE THREAD THEN POST. THIS THREAD IS CLOSED!!!!!!
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GeneralZon
May 1, 2009, 3:50 PM
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toboredtosleep wrote: READ THE WHOLE THREAD THEN POST. THIS THREAD IS CLOSED!!!!!!
Why don't you STFU.
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kennoyce
May 1, 2009, 4:09 PM
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I have to agree with generalzon on this one.
Sorry for trying to be helpful without wasting an hour of my time reading through the whole thread.
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toboredtosleep
May 1, 2009, 4:19 PM
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Its stupid to have 30 of the same post. I appreciate the advice and input. I apologize for flaring up but it is annoying to read the same post 30 times. I've gotten grilled on other forums for not reading and posting the same stuff again.
Generalzon, don't ever handle that in that manner again. You could have easily said the same thing in a respectful way and gotten the same message across.
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fresh
May 1, 2009, 6:29 PM
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robdotcalm wrote: jt512 wrote: robdotcalm wrote: OK, let’s say you good at clipping and you climb 100 days a year averaging 25 clips/day. That’s 2500 clips per year. Even if you do it right 99% of the time, you’ll end up with 25 bad clips. Rob.calm If you back clip 1% of your clips, you are not good at clipping. Know how many times I back clipped in the last year? Zero. Jay From the Homilies of Rabbi Jonah Gerondi (Spain, died 1263): The soul comes from a lofty place, and it feels a void when its host does not achieve perfection. Some people fill this void by attempting to perfect themselves, while other people try to fool their souls by fantasizing that they are perfect. rob.calm
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IsayAutumn
May 1, 2009, 6:35 PM
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toboredtosleep wrote: Its stupid to have 30 of the same post. I appreciate the advice and input. I apologize for flaring up but it is annoying to read the same post 30 times. I've gotten grilled on other forums for not reading and posting the same stuff again. Generalzon, don't ever handle that in that manner again. You could have easily said the same thing in a respectful way and gotten the same message across.
Hmm...well, I would say that backclipping doesn't always result in a biner coming unclipped. But if you really want to do it, find a short, stiff draw, like on the Petzl Spirit.
Oh, and also, why not demo what happens when you fall with your foot behind the rope? That's much more dangerous, IMO, than backclipping. You could probably even get a dummy to demo it with!
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GeneralZon
May 4, 2009, 2:23 PM
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toboredtosleep wrote: Its stupid to have 30 of the same post. I appreciate the advice and input. I apologize for flaring up but it is annoying to read the same post 30 times. I've gotten grilled on other forums for not reading and posting the same stuff again. Generalzon, don't ever handle that in that manner again. You could have easily said the same thing in a respectful way and gotten the same message across.
STFU noob. Is that more respectful?
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markc
May 4, 2009, 2:35 PM
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toboredtosleep wrote: READ THE WHOLE THREAD THEN POST. THIS THREAD IS CLOSED!!!!!!
Dear sir,
You should realize the futility of instructing users to read the entire discussion before contributing. It simply won't happen. Rather than dictating the behavior of your peers, a better effort might be realigning your expectations.
Also, please note that individual users lack the power to lock topics. This ability is reserved for moderators of the site. Saying a discussion is closed to further comments doesn't make it so. If this disturbs you, please reread my comments in the first paragraph.
Respectfully,
Mark
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marc801
May 4, 2009, 4:10 PM
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toboredtosleep wrote: Its stupid to have 30 of the same post. I appreciate the advice and input. I apologize for flaring up but it is annoying to read the same post 30 times. I've gotten grilled on other forums for not reading and posting the same stuff again. Generalzon, don't ever handle that in that manner again. You could have easily said the same thing in a respectful way and gotten the same message across.
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heidt410
May 4, 2009, 4:32 PM
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kennoyce wrote: There is no way to guarantee that a back clipped draw will unclip unless you have a way of keeping the biner completely steady, and throw your weight at the proper angle. A back clipped biner won't always unclip, in fact, the majority of the time it will hold just fine. The reason to teach people not to back clip is because back clipping increases the likelihood of the biner coming unclipped. It will be a better demonstration to just show this in your hand rather than throwing a weight and not coming unclipped thereby teaching people that backclipping is really not an issue.
yeah, this ^
in order for the demo to work you would have to have some directional pull on the biner itself (oppposite of anchor so biner is horizontal), not just from the travel of rope... while you could set that up, its not practical which could confuse people about anchors and you still run the risk of the demo not working. I think its too much effort and time spent on a simple concept that may not even get the point across and worse off instill aloofness about clipping.
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Johnny_Fang
May 4, 2009, 4:41 PM
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i don't know if anyone has said this yet because i didn't read the whole thread, but unclipping the draw from a backclip is very difficult to achieve. your best bet will be with a small, stiff dogbone.
but you know, having the rope behind your leg is much more serious and likely to lead to an injury. you could probably do this by using a dummy. maybe fill the dummy's head with water and watch the water explode as he hits the wall.
just trying to be helpful.
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cracklover
May 4, 2009, 6:03 PM
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Johnny_Fang wrote: i don't know if anyone has said this yet because i didn't read the whole thread, but unclipping the draw from a backclip is very difficult to achieve. your best bet will be with a small, stiff dogbone. but you know, having the rope behind your leg is much more serious and likely to lead to an injury. you could probably do this by using a dummy. maybe fill the dummy's head with water and watch the water explode as he hits the wall. just trying to be helpful.
Nah, I think you're trying to get toboredtosleep's head to explode.
GO
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bill413
May 4, 2009, 7:11 PM
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Johnny_Fang wrote: i don't know if anyone has said this yet because i didn't read the whole thread, but unclipping the draw from a backclip is very difficult to achieve. your best bet will be with a small, stiff dogbone. but you know, having the rope behind your leg is much more serious and likely to lead to an injury. you could probably do this by using a dummy. maybe fill the dummy's head with water and watch the water explode as he hits the wall. just trying to be helpful.
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spikeddem
May 6, 2009, 12:19 AM
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bill413 wrote: Johnny_Fang wrote: i don't know if anyone has said this yet because i didn't read the whole thread, but unclipping the draw from a backclip is very difficult to achieve. your best bet will be with a small, stiff dogbone. but you know, having the rope behind your leg is much more serious and likely to lead to an injury. you could probably do this by using a dummy. maybe fill the dummy's head with water and watch the water explode as he hits the wall. just trying to be helpful. But what if the dummy is wearing a helmet?
Then the severity of its neck injury will be worse. 
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evanwish
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if you do it we want a video
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johnbhoney
May 25, 2009, 12:33 AM
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I agree with each point in your post! It would be best to not try a "real-time" demonstration, because even back-clipped, quickdraws are unlikely to loose a rope (but much more likely than when clipped correctly). I would hold a quickdraw up (or clip it to a low bolt), and then grab the rope and show by hand how backclipping can come unclipped. That's more than adequate.
But if you ever did video a real-time demonstration, I 'd love to see it!
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PatMcGinn
Jun 14, 2009, 10:28 PM
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Just think of it this way, USA climbing allows back-clipping and do not deduct points. However z-clipping will cause you to lose points. It really depends alot on the angle of the wall. If you climb slabmaster lambada, then you are much more likely than a roof climber. However once you build the habit not to do it they are more likely to clip correctly, and avoid the situation.
(This post was edited by PatMcGinn on Jun 14, 2009, 10:29 PM)
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mheyman
Jun 14, 2009, 11:37 PM
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toboredtosleep wrote: I'm pretty sure this demo works, just a matter of how. The person in which I heard it from said that she had seen it done. She couldn't remember any setup details.
At think piont I was thinking troll.
toboredtosleep wrote: I wonder if I use the beat-to-high-hell old petzel wire gates that the REC owns? Just an idea...
After this, still not half way through page one I was sure. Good troll though, perhaps I shouldn't spoil the fun!
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mounter
Jun 15, 2009, 12:51 AM
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Don't use a sandbag as the point will not be conveyed appropriately. Here's what ya do:
Put your self on the sharp end and position yourself at the top of the wall. Wrap your leg around the rope, and back clip at the very first bolt...then get after it.
Now that demo would drive home the point. Oh, remember to capture this on video. You'd definitely be in the running for a Darwin Award with that one.
Climb on noob.
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billcoe_
Jun 15, 2009, 3:14 AM
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PatMcGinn wrote: Just think of it this way, USA climbing allows back-clipping and do not deduct points. However z-clipping will cause you to lose points. It really depends alot on the angle of the wall. If you climb slabmaster lambada, then you are much more likely than a roof climber. However once you build the habit not to do it they are more likely to clip correctly, and avoid the situation.
So having your leg behind the rope costs nothing then? Hmmm, curious.
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