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dingus


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Don't know of any rc.comers who have died as a result of bad advice, no. I hope I never come to know of such a person either. I suspect a strong liklihood of a lawsuit if it ever does happen.

But climbers dying from things like Texas rope trick?

Absolutely. HAS happened, to one of the best, even.

Rappelling is not a game. Its one of the most deadly activities climbers perform.

But its your god given right to spout any fucking crap you want. Even without the 'please note I have not personally tested ANY OF THIS CRAP' disclaimers.

Spout on son.

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dingus wrote:
Don't know of any rc.comers who have died as a result of bad advice, no. I hope I never come to know of such a person either. I suspect a strong liklihood of a lawsuit if it ever does happen.

But climbers dying from things like Texas rope trick?

Absolutely. HAS happened, to one of the best, even.

I know it. RIP Randy. Is rapping serious? Yup. He fucked up, and paid the ultimate price. It totally and completely sucks that that happened, but I don't think it supports your point about having to watch what we pontificate about here, for fear of bumblies taking our "advice" (as if anyone here was advising this) and pitching off cliffs. Of course, by now, I don't expect you to concede your point, so I'll let it alone and allow readers come to their own conclusions.

Cheers!

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Holy Shite!! You boys are still going off about this Pull the cam trick.....
Don't they have any climbing in your area that you could/should be doing instead?

I think we've all weighed in on this deal, and this thread has just become a testosterone laden pissing match.
I'm goin climbin...seeya.


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rocknice2 wrote:
Your right.

So was Darwin
um, i'm not so sure about that. it seems that the more scientists learn about micro-biology, the more it's starting to poing to intelligent design. conversely, i see little evidence pointing toward intelligent design when it comes to the TRT, but i guess it will help with natural selection.


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EvilMonkey wrote:
rocknice2 wrote:
Your right.

So was Darwin
um, i'm not so sure about that. it seems that the more scientists learn about micro-biology, the more it's starting to poing to intelligent design. conversely, i see little evidence pointing toward intelligent design when it comes to the TRT, but i guess it will help with natural selection.

Pastors and preachers have been saying this for 50 years. I've never heard anyone else say it though. So, source please, and one in a scholarly journal, not a religious publication.

Make science to fit your mold?


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angry wrote:
EvilMonkey wrote:
rocknice2 wrote:
Your right.

So was Darwin
um, i'm not so sure about that. it seems that the more scientists learn about micro-biology, the more it's starting to poing to intelligent design. conversely, i see little evidence pointing toward intelligent design when it comes to the TRT, but i guess it will help with natural selection.

Pastors and preachers have been saying this for 50 years. I've never heard anyone else say it though. So, source please, and one in a scholarly journal, not a religious publication.

Make science to fit your mold?
check out ben stein's documentary "expelled: no intelligence allowed". it scratches the surface. and i'm not talking about god here. religion, no thanks. not 4 me. in my eyes, i.d. doesn't have to be about god at all, but rather about intelligent life. is that such a stretch. we make machines and computers. that's essentially what we are. we're just make out of different materials. anyone who can't see any possible validity in that has their head shovel so far up their own ass that they don't need shades at the beach.


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EvilMonkey wrote:
check out ben stein's documentary "expelled: no intelligence allowed". it scratches the surface. and i'm not talking about god here. religion, no thanks. not 4 me. in my eyes, i.d. doesn't have to be about god at all, but rather about intelligent life. is that such a stretch. we make machines and computers. that's essentially what we are. we're just make out of different materials. anyone who can't see any possible validity in that has their head shovel so far up their own ass that they don't need shades at the beach.

Well, Stein linked Darwinism to the Holocaust. Somehow, I think that there was a grave misinterpretation of the theory to have guided the atrocity.

A common misconception of Darwinism is that species are transitional - they are on their way to something else. Not true - each has become more or less well suited to a particular environment. A bacterium in a culture is not "advancing" to drug resistance. Rather, when an antibiotic is added to the culture, those that are less affected by it survive in the new environment. Survival of the fittest does not mean survival of the strongest, or the swiftest, or even the most intelligent. Rather, it means survival of the traits that resulted in greatest reproductive success in a given environment.


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Well, Stein linked Darwinism to the Holocaust. Somehow, I think that there was a grave misinterpretation of the theory to have guided the atrocity.
what Holocaust?Tongue


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The New England bolt wars.


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did they ever catch the dickbag who was chopping bolts and gluing them back on so they'd look like they hadn't been chopped? seems he was doing a lot of that in NH. u definitely dont wanna set up a TRT on a chopped anchor!


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bill413 wrote:
EvilMonkey wrote:
check out ben stein's documentary "expelled: no intelligence allowed". it scratches the surface. and i'm not talking about god here. religion, no thanks. not 4 me. in my eyes, i.d. doesn't have to be about god at all, but rather about intelligent life. is that such a stretch. we make machines and computers. that's essentially what we are. we're just make out of different materials. anyone who can't see any possible validity in that has their head shovel so far up their own ass that they don't need shades at the beach.

Well, Stein linked Darwinism to the Holocaust. Somehow, I think that there was a grave misinterpretation of the theory to have guided the atrocity.

A common misconception of Darwinism is that species are transitional - they are on their way to something else. Not true - each has become more or less well suited to a particular environment. A bacterium in a culture is not "advancing" to drug resistance. Rather, when an antibiotic is added to the culture, those that are less affected by it survive in the new environment. Survival of the fittest does not mean survival of the strongest, or the swiftest, or even the most intelligent. Rather, it means survival of the traits that resulted in greatest reproductive success in a given environment.

I think that species are transitional. They need the ability to adapt though.
In general the strongest, fastest and smartest are able to provide food better for their offspring and therefore propagate their genes.


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Not necessarily - look at guppies, or turtles. In neither case, do the parents provide food for their offspring. They are left to fend for themselves. (In general, there seem to be two extremes of strategy for reproductive success - have a few offspring & invest a lot in them, or have lots of offspring & invest little. Both seem to work.).


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So, noobs reproduce like guppies!!
That makes sense.


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majid_sabet wrote:
rocknice2 wrote:
TTRT

call it cam release trick but not TRT cause this has nothing to do with TEXAS.

unless you are some redneck who want to credit this trick to some southern boys.

Majid has a point. Fuck Texas. Fuck it in its big ol' distended asshole (everything is bigger in Texas, right?).

edited: so my grammar could more correctly fuck Texas in its big ol', petroleum-greased, corn cob gobblin', chili shittin', stretched out ol' El Paso floozy bung hole. Yee HAWWW!!!

pps: I had to edit my own edit. Still. Fuck Texas with a warhead wearing a uranium condom.


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EvilMonkey wrote:
angry wrote:
EvilMonkey wrote:
rocknice2 wrote:
Your right.

So was Darwin
um, i'm not so sure about that. it seems that the more scientists learn about micro-biology, the more it's starting to poing to intelligent design. conversely, i see little evidence pointing toward intelligent design when it comes to the TRT, but i guess it will help with natural selection.

Pastors and preachers have been saying this for 50 years. I've never heard anyone else say it though. So, source please, and one in a scholarly journal, not a religious publication.

Make science to fit your mold?
check out ben stein's documentary "expelled: no intelligence allowed". it scratches the surface. and i'm not talking about god here. religion, no thanks. not 4 me. in my eyes, i.d. doesn't have to be about god at all, but rather about intelligent life. is that such a stretch. we make machines and computers. that's essentially what we are. we're just make out of different materials. anyone who can't see any possible validity in that has their head shovel so far up their own ass that they don't need shades at the beach.

Well, that interesting image is about all I got out of your post.


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Suppositing [sic] untested TRT tricks is NOT intelligent design.

DMT


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EvilMonkey wrote:
check out ben stein's documentary "expelled: no intelligence allowed". it scratches the surface. and i'm not talking about god here. religion, no thanks. not 4 me. in my eyes, i.d. doesn't have to be about god at all, but rather about intelligent life. is that such a stretch. we make machines and computers. that's essentially what we are. we're just make out of different materials. anyone who can't see any possible validity in that has their head shovel so far up their own ass that they don't need shades at the beach.

Conversely, I recommend you read Richard Dawkins' The Ancestor's Tale (http://www.amazon.com/...lution/dp/0618005838).

I think it effectively destroys anything Ben Stein might have to say on the subject.

I just have to post part of the wikipedia entry on Stein:

In reply to:
Stein has publicly denounced the theory of evolution, which he and other intelligent design advocates term "Darwinism," declaring it to be "a painful, bloody chapter in the history of ideologies," "the most compelling argument yet for Imperialism," and the inspiration for the Holocaust.[22][23] Stein does not say belief in the theory of evolution alone leads to genocide, but that it is a necessary component.[24] He co-wrote and stars in Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, a film that aims to persuade viewers that the theory of evolution is partially responsible for the eugenics movement, the rise of Nazi Germany, and the Holocaust, and portrays advocates of intelligent design as victims of religious discrimination by the scientific community, which has rejected intelligent design as creationist pseudoscience.[25][26][27]

The general media response to the film has been largely unfavorable. It received a 10% meta-score from Rotten Tomatoes. Multiple reviews, including those of USA Today and Scientific American, have described the film as propaganda.[25][26][27] The Chicago Tribune's rating was "1 star (poor),"[28] while the New York Times described it as "a conspiracy-theory rant masquerading as investigative inquiry" and "an unprincipled propaganda piece that insults believers and nonbelievers alike."[26] One of the few positive reviews appeared in Christianity Today.[29] Noted evolutionary biologist and atheist Richard Dawkins has strongly criticised Stein's film in an open letter on his website.[30]

In a Trinity Broadcasting Network interview with Paul Crouch Jr. regarding Stein's movie,[31] Stein made the following statement about science and religion:

Stein: When we just saw that man, I think it was Mr. Myers, talking about how great scientists were, I was thinking to myself the last time any of my relatives saw scientists telling them what to do they were telling them to go to the showers to get gassed … that was horrifying beyond words, and that’s where science — in my opinion, this is just an opinion — that’s where science leads you.

Crouch: That’s right.

Stein: …Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people.

Crouch: Good word, good word.

As for the "transitional species" concept, Dawkins provides excellent discussion. Maybe I can paraphrase by saying that all species are in some degree of transition, based on genetic mutation and natural selection, which may be due to any number of factors, if one looks at the appropriate time scale. One of the most important concepts is of the continuity of change, and not getting trapped by "discontinuous thought." In other words, there is no discreet changing event from one species to another, rather a slow process whereby over many, many generations a "species" changes enough that it is no longer capable of reproduction with its ancestors prior to a given date. These "species" are comparative, so it depends on when you query the data set as to what the output species are. Because of the great gaps in the human fossil record, e.g., we see what appears to be numerous different species, and they are named as such, but they are generally just random points in the continuum of our ancestors.


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I met Ben Stein at the Chicago Hilton. He's a short fat man, seemed friendly enough though.

It was clear to me he had no lock on the Orgins of Species however. He's an ACCOUNTANT.

Next we'll be consulting plumbers about clogged economies.....

DMT


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rocknice2 wrote:
Your an IDIOT

... you're?


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well, that was fun and got us absolutely nowhere. let's get back on topic. anymore thoughts on evolution vs. i.d., write your congressman.

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