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farmerc
Jun 8, 2002, 4:07 AM
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My hexes are slung with spectra webbing, and when I extend them, I girth-hitch (lark's head) a 24 inch sling onto the webbing on the hex. Any thoughts on this as opposed to extending with a quick draw, or putting a biner between the hex and the sling? thanks
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krustyklimber
Jun 8, 2002, 4:18 AM
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Chris,
This isn't a bad thing as long as the sling you girth to the spectra is spectra, there is some concern about the spectra melting nylon when they rub together as they would in a fall.
And in some placements the weight of a second biner and sling may help to keep the hex in place (they don't "walk" like cams but can rock/or tip out of place).
Good question!
Jeff
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tenn_dawg
Jun 8, 2002, 4:36 AM
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It may just me me, but don't you find it really hard to girth hitch with one hand? Slinging small trees, or shrubs along a climb gives me a hard time also. Because of this, I almost always attach a shoulder length sling with a biner on the Hex end, and another biner for the rope. It hasn't failed me yet. In fact, I feel that the biner, on the hex side adds an extra pivot point so the sling is not working the piece out as much. I think this makes it worth the extra biner in the saftey chain.
Travis
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farmerc
Jun 8, 2002, 4:50 AM
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thanks, i'd been using nylon slings to extend my spectra hex slings (little face that says "D'oh" yet is not working right now). Time to go to the shop and buy a few spectra slings, and yes, i think girth-hitching is harder, but it saves on biners.
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blindslap
Jun 8, 2002, 4:52 AM
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I attach the runner with a biner' cause it's so much faster. Sitting and fideling around with gurth hitches takes too much time and webbing on webbing worreis me a little too. Theres just somthing about it that makes me uneasy. I guess it's just a matter of preferance.
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rickoldskool
Jun 8, 2002, 5:38 AM
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farmerc, Let's get this right. First of all girth hitching or the "larks foot" is significantly weakens spectra or nylon. Heat has nothing to do with it. Second the reason to use a biner is not because it's faster, but because it's STRONGER! Now all of you read this link,
Girth hitch and th associated links. You'll be smarter and safer for it.
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krustyklimber
Jun 8, 2002, 6:12 AM
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Thanks for clearing that up Rick! Great job!
Jeff
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bmgard
Jun 8, 2002, 7:17 AM
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Always atache metal to webbing and webbing to metal. Webbing to webbing (girth hitch)is a bad idea and so is metal to metal(biner on biner). Keep them seperate and stay alive.
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radistrad
Jun 12, 2002, 6:22 PM
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The girth hitch will reduce you strength by about 40% (I think this is accurate).
Nylon to Spectra is bad, the Spectra will slice through the nylon.
So you should always clip your slings/pro togeather.
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climber1
Jun 14, 2002, 7:36 PM
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I was seconding a climb this past weekend where the leader did this. I wasn't too happy about that, but he said an old school climber says its safe.
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punk
Jun 15, 2002, 6:01 PM
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I think this will help Nylon to spectra
The site has an additional interesting info
climb safe
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jhwnewengland
Jun 15, 2002, 9:32 PM
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thanks punk, that is a really helpful site. Everyone should check it out if they have a minute, as it seems to dispel several of the rumors that have surfaced in this thread.
jan
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danl
Jun 24, 2002, 9:13 PM
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most of the time I go biner to sling to piece. I will girth hitch some times if the placement requires it. for example the angle fo the fall would cross load the biner.
If its saving on biners you are worried about buy more biners. Its worth it
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