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YouWill787
Sep 16, 2011, 3:58 PM
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Climbing etiquette...
So I have been wanting to start a thread but was getting stuck trying to find a topic that hasn't already been widely discussed. So while searching the forum I thought, why not climbing etiquette?
I am new to climbing. So I do have some things that I have encountered here and there that I was unsure what the "proper" etiquette would be.
Here are some questions to get things started.
How long should you keep climbing on a route that other climbers are waiting for?
How to respond when another climber NON-politely offers his advice to you?
What is a good way to not confuse another belayer when another group is close to you?
Conversing with other climbers, is it rude to continue talking to someone that is belaying?
How far is too far when trying to give advise to someone who is climbing unsafely?
Safety? Things like yelling "Rope!" before dropping a line? What are some typical safety communications you would use when climbing?
What is considered a "never do this"? What would climbers like to see more of?
Free free to add to the list!
Just trying to stir up some conversation and provide a good base for new climbers heading out to the rocks. I think every climber out there would appreciate some more respect and beginner knowledge of what is acceptable and what is not acceptable.
(This post was edited by YouWill787 on Sep 16, 2011, 3:59 PM)
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funk
Sep 16, 2011, 4:15 PM
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YouWill787 wrote: Climbing etiquette... So I have been wanting to start a thread but was getting stuck trying to find a topic that hasn't already been widely discussed. So while searching the forum I thought, why not climbing etiquette? I am new to climbing. So I do have some things that I have encountered here and there that I was unsure what the "proper" etiquette would be. Here are some questions to get things started. How long should you keep climbing on a route that other climbers are waiting for? UNTIL YOU"RE FINSIHED. How to respond when another climber NON-politely offers his advice to you? IGNORE THEM. YOU'RE TRYING TO CLIMB. What is a good way to not confuse another belayer when another group is close to you? DON'T TALK TO THEM. CONCENTRATE ON NOT DROPPING YOUR FRIEND. REFER TO YOUR FRIENDS BY THEIR NAME. Conversing with other climbers, is it rude to continue talking to someone that is belaying? YES. IF YOU'RE BELAYING, YOU SHOULD BE PAYING ATTENTION TO YOUR CLIMBER/ROPE, NOT SOCAILIZNG. How far is too far when trying to give advise to someone who is climbing unsafely? WALK UP TO THEM IN PERSON. NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR YOU YELL. Safety? Things like yelling "Rope!" before dropping a line? What are some typical safety communications you would use when climbing? ROPE. ROCK. SHUT THE FUCK UP. What is considered a "never do this"? What would climbers like to see more of? TALK TO BELAYERS, LITTER (Cigarette butts), DON'T TRY TO RENAME ROUTES YOU DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF (it's been climbed long before you were there), STOP SPRAYING. WE ALL HAVE "FRIENDS" WHO CLIMB V10/5.14... many of us have. Free free to add to the list! Just trying to stir up some conversation and provide a good base for new climbers heading out to the rocks. I think every climber out there would appreciate some more respect and beginner knowledge of what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. |
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lena_chita
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Sep 16, 2011, 4:46 PM
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Next time, do a search. You aren't the only one who thought to start this thread.
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p;sb=score&mh=25
And you seem to mix together etiquette and safety...
How long should you keep climbing on a route that other climbers are waiting for?
How long would you like someone else to work on a route that YOU are waiting for? Don't make others wait longer than you are willing to wait.
-If you just started, and someone walked in wanting to do the same route, let them know that you would be a while, and apologize (no, you don't have to apologize for taking time to work a route, but it would make other people more likely to wait patiently, if they choose to wait, and not feel like punching you in the face)
-If you are about to spend an hour hanging on the route, and someone else just walked in asking if they could do a quick lap on the same route to warm up, let them go first. (No, you don't have to yield a turn, because you were there first. But being nice won't hurt you.)
How to respond when another climber NON-politely offers his advice to you?
The same way you respond when anyone gives you any unwanted advice on any subject: Smile, nod, say thank you, and continue doing what you are doing.
What is a good way to not confuse another belayer when another group is close to you?
Not sure what this means. But in a crowded crag it is a good idea to add your belayer's name to a climbing command ( e.i." John, clipping!" Or "John, take!")
Conversing with other climbers, is it rude to continue talking to someone that is belaying?
Not necessarily rude, but very situation dependent. If I am warming up, I might continue a conversation with my belayer and any bystanders as I climb. But less distraction to belayer, the better. I would not hesitate to ask the talker to shut up if I don't like my belayer distracted.
How far is too far when trying to give advise to someone who is climbing unsafely?
Not sure what you mean... If you see something unsafe, speak up. If the other party is not willing to listen, move on. What else can you do?
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YouWill787
Sep 16, 2011, 5:11 PM
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Thanks for the reply!
Looks like when I did a search I spelled etiquette incorrectly.
As far as what Funk said:
In reply to: LITTER (Cigarette butts)
That's one that drives me crazy. Especially cigarette butts.
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markc
Sep 16, 2011, 5:17 PM
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Climbing etiquette...
How long should you keep climbing on a route that other climbers are waiting for?
I think this is more about rate of progress rather than time. If you're challenged but making good progress, I'd say continue until you're done. They're making a choice to wait, so you shouldn't feel too rushed. If you're flailing and at a stand-still, or if you're going to have to hangdog the whole route, I'd let others play through.
How to respond when another climber NON-politely offers his advice to you?
Safety or beta? If it's beta, just tell the person if you'd prefer to work through something on your own. If it's related to safety, try not to get defensive until you really consider what you're being told.
What is a good way to not confuse another belayer when another group is close to you?
Use names with commands. Avoid loud or unnecessary chatter at taller crags when other parties are trying to communicate. It sucks when you're straining to hear your partner because of some loudmouth on the next route over.
Conversing with other climbers, is it rude to continue talking to someone that is belaying?
This is really context and belayer-specific. As with driving, let the belayer/driver set the tone. If I'm belaying someone on toprope and have good eye contact, I might talk. I'm not going to look at you, and I may just tune you out or tell you to be quiet if necessary. If I'm belaying someone who is struggling on a lead, I'm going to want to give them my full attention. Some folks are oblivious to body language or other social cues. In that case, I'll clearly stop the conversation when I get on belay. For newer belayers, leave them the hell alone.
How far is too far when trying to give advise to someone who is climbing unsafely?
If I see a crap anchor, someone belaying improperly, or something similar, I'll offer advice in a constructive manner. If folks don't listen, I leave them to their fate. Hopefully they learn before their actions catch up with them, but some people just need to learn first-hand.
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DougMartin
Sep 16, 2011, 6:33 PM
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markc wrote: Climbing etiquette... Use names with commands. Avoid loud or unnecessary chatter at taller crags when other parties are trying to communicate. It sucks when you're straining to hear your partner because of some loudmouth on the next route over.
I wanted to punched some ass in the mouth over this very thing! He never got it, even after a half a dozen "can you keep it down, I am trying to hear my partner" statements. I was reduced to a "hey, shut the hell up, I can't hear!" before he gave me the your an ass look and shut up! So the lesson is look around and see if your party is disrupting the safety of others!
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gunkiemike
Sep 17, 2011, 10:32 PM
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YouWill787 wrote: What would climbers like to see more of?
I've always admired the Southern France custom where the girls climb topless...
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