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phillyb285
Sep 5, 2002, 12:12 AM
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hey, how do they rappel in the military?
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clymber
Sep 5, 2002, 12:59 AM
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no belay device rap the rope around your leg and slide watch out for thefamily jewles
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ezclimber
Sep 5, 2002, 1:31 AM
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lol they have many ways with raps but usually it is a swiss seat with a biner and the rope double rapped around it.
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beldar
Sep 8, 2002, 8:04 PM
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It depends on what kind of belay you're talking about and what the terrain allows for. There's body rapels with the rope wrapped around you, swiss seats are common and there's always the aussie rapel. And at Ranger school there's the buddy rapel with your Ranger buddy piggy backed and tied in. It's pretty ridiculous looking, but those are just some examples.
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no_limit
Sep 8, 2002, 8:38 PM
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I've been rappeling with the military and we used a swiss seat and a biner for a rap device.
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alpinerocket
Sep 8, 2002, 10:41 PM
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In the fire service we practice emergency rappel out of dangerous situations. We set an anchor in the corner of a window with an axe. The rope is tied to the middle of the handle and the axe is held in place in the corner with tension being pulled by you outside of the building. We then carefully step out of the window keeping our anchor in place with pressure. We then wrap the rope around our butt bringing the 2 ends together in gloved hands and lower our selves down. It is a quick way out of a burning bulding when no other ways of egress are present. John
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euroford
Sep 10, 2002, 1:04 AM
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our companys network geek is a former marine. while showing him my climbing gear and my facade rapelling gear he showed me how to tie a harness with webbing or rope and to make a rappell device/fasten the harness with a single biner.
it looks like a good thing to know in case you are even in deep shite and need a quick road down. but you gotta keep in mind, the single biner rappell device does not generate enough friction to come to a stop. they use it strickly to drop down buildings and out of heli's quickly.
so if this method was used on a multipitch rapell or as balley device *splat*
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alpinerocket
Sep 10, 2002, 1:11 AM
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If all you have is a single carabiner you can allways use the muenter hitch. It will give enough friction to slow you down to a stop, but OMG the twists it makes.
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spoon
Sep 10, 2002, 1:18 AM
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My friend's a marine coloniel who teaches soldiers to rappel out of helicopters. He uses swiss seats with two wraps around a beaner, but apparantly the guys with real stones "fat rope." They just drop a thick rope out of the helicopter and hold on to it with their hands and feet. You grip the rope tightly enough to make your gloves smoke and hit the ground running. I'll stick to my harness thank you.
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coach
Sep 11, 2002, 5:45 PM
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Spoon,
What you are talking about is called "Fast Roping". The military uses it as a means of quick insertion rather than rappel which only allows one person on the rope at a time and therefore puts the helicopter and rappelers in greater danger. Fast roping uses a rope about 2 inches in diameter and as you mentioned the person grabs the rope and cups his boots around it and off he goes. As soon as one person is out the chopper the next person grabs the rope and goes so they come down about 10 - 15 feet apart. Much quicker!
Climb On
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doghere
Sep 12, 2002, 3:42 PM
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In a tactical situation the distance between the individuals is about 12" from your head the the boots above you.
What happens inside the helicopter you come to a ready position in the aproach to the insertion point. you accomplish this by forming a stick (one line) everybody is butt to belly button. the first man is seating down with his legs hanging from the "hell-hole" once the HRST gives the command he slides down the rope at the time he is fixing to go down the second man has a grip on the rope above the first man and ready to go as well. Once the first man clears the hole the second man goes and everybody follows. This procedure gives you a distance between each other of abot 12". Once you hit the deck clear the rope because the rest of your team is above you. and that is how you FAST Rope.
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bradhill
Sep 12, 2002, 4:44 PM
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Keep in mind, folks, though that the millitary has a whole different definition of "safe" than you should as a climber. Unless you're Tommy & Beth, you've probably got time to set up a better rappell system without anybody shooting at you.
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pordxdica
Sep 14, 2002, 12:20 AM
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Watch Black Hawk Down. Its a prime example of Fast ropping and what dangers are involved. Its really not something you would learn to do if you are a civilian unless a bear is comming and is very hungry.
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dondiego
Sep 15, 2002, 11:56 PM
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The types of rapping that have been described are the basics that are taught every soldier in Basic Training (not fast-ropeing). As you work your way higher up in the skill level of your unit (ie. Green Berets vs. Light Infantry) your selection of equipment becomes much more your own decision than before. Units that kick in doors and come through windows rarely just use a swiss seat and a single biner. We use the same equipment that is used in the Civ world, only it's usually all black. Frequently we order through local stores. Hope that answered Q's.
-Don Diego-
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mcfoley
Sep 18, 2002, 3:03 AM
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"SPEED ROPE" I HEAR IT'S THE SHIT
Gloves...GRAB...& GO!!!
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coclimber26
Oct 12, 2002, 10:23 PM
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Slide down the thing and watch the big pile of K-pots at the bottom. If your lucky the guy on top of you won't keep jammin his feet into your hands. by the way, some units in the military are getting so high tech that they bought either climbing harnesses or an extraction belt. I know it's hard to believe...we like to do things the hard way..
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hang_man
Oct 13, 2002, 9:43 AM
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here the army guys tie manharness knot with their toggle rope and either use a biner or a figure of 8
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bridgeit
Oct 13, 2002, 2:28 PM
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I used a swiss seat and a figure 8 while at basic training. And just a couple of weeks ago I did some rapping with ROTC and they used a single biner with a twist. But I agree with dondiego that as you use rapelling more in your job in the military you definately use nicer equipment. The basics are taught in basic training just so you would know how to get your self out of a jam if you needed.
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