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brianinslc
Feb 10, 2004, 3:18 PM
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In reply to: st elias. not a bad call there brian
I dunno. I think Devil's Thumb and Foraker have to be right up there, in terms of successful summits versus fatalities.
We decided against the SE ridge of Foraker in '01. Was bummed to hear about the Strawn bro's in '02. Met Travis and his older bro on Denali in 98, nice fellas, really had their poo wired. Eeek.
Brian in SLC
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rockprodigy
Feb 10, 2004, 9:28 PM
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I think there's only been 4 deaths on Devil's Thumb, so it's probably not a contender. As for successful summits, I bet it's under 50.
Anyone know how many have died on St. Elias? I would bet Forraker has a pretty grim ratio...seems like you hear of more deaths than summits on that bad boy.
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brianinslc
Feb 10, 2004, 10:01 PM
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In reply to: I think there's only been 4 deaths on Devil's Thumb, so it's probably not a contender. As for successful summits, I bet it's under 50.
Hmmm...not a great ratio...1 dead per 12.5 summiting.
In reply to: Anyone know how many have died on St. Elias?
I think surprisingly few. I'm gonna stab a guess that less than 100 folks have summited St. Elias. 20+ ascents with an average of, say, 3 or 4 per. Probably lower. Could be as low as 50 or 60 people.
Was 2 fatalities in '01, if I recall correctly. Another one in '98. I'm guessing there were a couple in the 60's. So, maybe around 5 to 8?
So, might range from 1 in 20 to 1 in 8?
In reply to: I would bet Forraker has a pretty grim ratio...seems like you hear of more deaths than summits on that bad boy.
Yep. Been a bunch over the years, but, I think the peak went for a spell without until '01.
I'll hazard a wild guess of 10. And I'll bet around 150 to 200 ascents. Wild guess.
Grim discussion...
I'll bet Dan Beard's ratio is pretty bad...summiters to fatalities...since both are so low...
Yikes...
Brian in SLC
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micahmcguire
Mar 2, 2004, 3:03 AM
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I won't argue too hard against Foraker. I've personally lost friends up there. However, I think there are far too many successful climbs up there to call it "the deadliest." Its up there though.
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tarp
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In reply to: I won't argue too hard against Foraker. I've personally lost friends up there. However, I think there are far too many successful climbs up there to call it "the deadliest." Its up there though.
Ah, to be 23 and to know so friggen much. I'm only a couple of years younger yet know not to voice my opinion on such weighty matters with all of the truly experienced climbers on this site. Take a break, buckwheat.
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sammatt
Mar 2, 2004, 3:36 AM
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Mount Sanitas, Boulder. Deadly air--filled with the "perfume" of dog shit and bored trophy wives.
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micahmcguire
Mar 2, 2004, 3:37 AM
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;-)
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micahmcguire
Mar 2, 2004, 3:38 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: I won't argue too hard against Foraker. I've personally lost friends up there. However, I think there are far too many successful climbs up there to call it "the deadliest." Its up there though. Ah, to be 23 and to know so friggen much. I'm only a couple of years younger yet know not to voice my opinion on such weighty matters with all of the truly experienced climbers on this site. Take a break, buckwheat.
um, ok asshole. why don't you suck my slurpy brown anus? I don't know what crawled up your ass, but you should get that looked at. How do you figure that my input regarding this issue is invalid because of my age? Go to hell chuffwad
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underfoot
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underfoot
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underfoot
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: I won't argue too hard against Foraker. I've personally lost friends up there. However, I think there are far too many successful climbs up there to call it "the deadliest." Its up there though. Ah, to be 23 and to know so friggen much. I'm only a couple of years younger yet know not to voice my opinion on such weighty matters with all of the truly experienced climbers on this site. Take a break, buckwheat. um, ok asshole. why don't you suck my slurpy brown anus? I don't know what crawled up your ass, but you should get that looked at. How do you figure that my input regarding this issue is invalid because of my age? Go to hell chuffwad
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micahmcguire
Mar 2, 2004, 3:42 AM
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wink wink
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underfoot
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You must be stuck in the middle of an unending winter. Seek counselling.
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timstich
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In reply to: Mount Sanitas, Boulder. Deadly air--filled with the "perfume" of dog s--- and bored trophy wives.
I hear that's a good bouldering location! Tell me, does the dog sh*t help prevent broken ankles? I figure a 1/4 lb. stool should absorb about .03 Kilo Newtons. Please advise.
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rockprodigy
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In reply to: Ah, to be 23 and to know so friggen much.... Take a break, buckwheat.
I'm only 26, should I take a break too?
e-mail me when I'm old enough to respond:
kiss@myass.com
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polarwid
Mar 2, 2004, 9:14 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: I won't argue too hard against Foraker. I've personally lost friends up there. However, I think there are far too many successful climbs up there to call it "the deadliest." Its up there though. Ah, to be 23 and to know so friggen much. I'm only a couple of years younger yet know not to voice my opinion on such weighty matters with all of the truly experienced climbers on this site. Take a break, buckwheat.
Am I old enough to know??? What was your last summit, chuffwad!!!
In reply to: um, ok asshole. why don't you suck my slurpy brown anus? I don't know what crawled up your ass, but you should get that looked at. How do you figure that my input regarding this issue is invalid because of my age? Go to hell chuffwad!!!
MICAH...close to violating the TOS there, but I think I will let this one slide... :wink:
HEY CARP, I mean not so SHARP, I mean...uhhh whatever...
I bet MICAH has summitted more peaks in the last two months than you have in your entire friggin life, and that includes your mama's titties!!!
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micahmcguire
Mar 2, 2004, 11:30 PM
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uproarious laughter, followed by the wailing of guitars!
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rvega
Mar 3, 2004, 12:05 AM
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For clarification...
1) Since when is The Grand Canyon a "peak"
2) Shouldn't it be dealiest in terms of... death/attempts
3) What's a chuffwad?
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micahmcguire
Mar 3, 2004, 2:49 AM
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rvega-
the grand canyon is not a peak, you are right.
yes it should be deaths/attempts
to be honest, I have no idea what a chuffwad is, but it sounded insulting.
TARP, no witty comeback? I didn't think so.
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skypilot
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How about the Deadly Bells or the Maroon Bells. The rugged Elk Mountains have their own book dedicated to just the accidents and deaths that occur there called Falling Season. The Mountains are just choss-piles above High altitude...anyone who has done Pyramid, the Bells, or any other peaks there ought to know how treacherous they can be. Route finding is a huge problem for many, and the fact that everything you touch tumbles.
I think the question here is who is the most ignorant, who is the most careless, and under what circumstances did each result of any mountain occur?
No matter how experienced you are...the mountain will always win....we don't really conquer mountains...we pass through them. Our victory as Alpinists lies within our return to the valley, once atop the mountain we are only half way home. I think a lot about the term "wilderness" and what it means to people, ask you will probably get an answer somewhere along the lines of 'pristine, remote, wild, absent of man'; I think we can get lost in the "wild" in 'wilderness'.
I ask this:
Is our line of life a recreation, a sport, or a risk?
I feel it is a risk that we take. The moment that we lose our fear of what we are doing in the high country, that is the moment we lose our respect for what is possible when climbing mountains.
Sky Pilot
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