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Syd
May 10, 2013, 8:45 PM
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Has anyone experienced a quick release waist adjust buckle on a harness catch on something and do a quick release while climbing ?
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acorneau
May 11, 2013, 1:59 AM
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Syd wrote: Has anyone experienced a quick release waist adjust buckle on a harness catch on something and do a quick release while climbing ?
No, but then I purposefully select harnesses with the standard buckles so it's not even a possibility for me.
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majid_sabet
May 11, 2013, 5:43 AM
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Syd wrote: Has anyone experienced a quick release waist adjust buckle on a harness catch on something and do a quick release while climbing ?
you see them on industrial rigging harnesses like MSA or Miller but not common in climbing since there is a chance that buckles may open up during fall
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JimTitt
May 11, 2013, 6:38 AM
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majid_sabet wrote: Syd wrote: Has anyone experienced a quick release waist adjust buckle on a harness catch on something and do a quick release while climbing ? you see them on industrial rigging harnesses like MSA or Miller but not common in climbing since there is a chance that buckles may open up during fall
Really? Better bin my BD and Singing Rock harnesses then.
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gosharks
May 11, 2013, 9:21 AM
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Syd wrote: Has anyone experienced a quick release waist adjust buckle on a harness catch on something and do a quick release while climbing ?
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Syd
May 11, 2013, 9:26 AM
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I should have mentioned that mine slipped yesterday on a climb ... scary. It could be partly due to the harness being quite old and the webbing being worn. I'm now shopping for a replacement with old style buckles. There doesn't seem to be many around, apart from the Metolius Safe Tech range and there's a heavy BD one.
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karcand
May 11, 2013, 9:34 AM
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I had to buy a harness with a quick release buckle... I was so upset that the old kind are no longer sold in my area.
I am always seeing people retightening the quick release buckels at the gym. Something that is suppose to keep you safe should not come loose.
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acorneau
May 11, 2013, 11:55 AM
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Syd wrote: I'm now shopping for a replacement with old style buckles. There doesn't seem to be many around, apart from the Metolius Safe Tech range and there's a heavy BD one.
Misty Mountain has several styles that come with the standard buckles (Cadillac, Cirque, Titan).
Also, since they're a small company you can call them and I'm sure they'll put standard buckles on any of their other harnesses for you with little to no charge.
http://mistymountain.com/c/harnesses.htm
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majid_sabet
May 11, 2013, 1:29 PM
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JimTitt wrote: majid_sabet wrote: Syd wrote: Has anyone experienced a quick release waist adjust buckle on a harness catch on something and do a quick release while climbing ? you see them on industrial rigging harnesses like MSA or Miller but not common in climbing since there is a chance that buckles may open up during fall Really? Better bin my BD and Singing Rock harnesses then.
it refers to quick release or disconnect like seat belt release and I only seen them on industrial application so if yours does not disconnect like seat belt release then we are talking about two different terms
here is link, see 2ed pic
TechnaCurv Full Body Harness
http://www.westernsafety.com/msa2009/msa09pg20.html
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acorneau
May 11, 2013, 1:36 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: it refers to quick release or disconnect like seat belt release and I only seen them on industrial application so if yours does not disconnect like seat belt release then we are talking about two different terms
Bingo.
We're confusing "quick release" with "quick adjust", but then again this is a rock climbing forum and not an industrial rope-access forum.
Syd would be better off asking this on a rope-access forum rather than here.
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JimTitt
May 11, 2013, 3:59 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: JimTitt wrote: majid_sabet wrote: Syd wrote: Has anyone experienced a quick release waist adjust buckle on a harness catch on something and do a quick release while climbing ? you see them on industrial rigging harnesses like MSA or Miller but not common in climbing since there is a chance that buckles may open up during fall Really? Better bin my BD and Singing Rock harnesses then. it refers to quick release or disconnect like seat belt release and I only seen them on industrial application so if yours does not disconnect like seat belt release then we are talking about two different terms here is link, see 2ed pic TechnaCurv Full Body Harness http://www.westernsafety.com/msa2009/msa09pg20.html[/quote] You´re right, I pondered over this while welding today (as it is unutterably boring). There is a difference between quick-release like on a paratroopers harness and speed buckles on a climbers, since I´ve never seen a quick-release one on a climbing harness I assumed the OP was confusing the terminology. Though from my racing car days the quick-release part is termed "latch" and the adjusting "buckles" are a different item so perhaps my confusion is obvious :-)
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Syd
May 11, 2013, 9:23 PM
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acorneau wrote: Syd would be better off asking this on a rope-access forum rather than here.
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majid_sabet
May 12, 2013, 5:04 AM
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Syd wrote: acorneau wrote: Syd would be better off asking this on a rope-access forum rather than here. I'm talking about climbing harnesses. Mine is a petzl.
you need to use the proper term and stop confusing people. quick release means you press and things comes apart and I own several industrial harnesses and almost 10 different type of climbing and no climbing harness to my knowledge comes with quick release unless it has an industrial application. Again quick adjust and quick release are two different things.
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surfstar
May 12, 2013, 5:28 AM
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Tie an overhand if you're worried about slippage.
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Syd
May 12, 2013, 9:07 AM
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majid_sabet wrote: Syd wrote: acorneau wrote: Syd would be better off asking this on a rope-access forum rather than here. I'm talking about climbing harnesses. Mine is a petzl. you need to use the proper term
For heaven's sake ... rock climbing harnesses !
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Gmburns2000
May 12, 2013, 11:30 PM
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surfstar wrote: Tie an overhand if you're worried about slippage.
I doesn't always stay. At least mine don't.
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notapplicable
May 13, 2013, 4:10 AM
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You fatties need to lose some lbs.
I've been climbing with a 'quick adjust' buckle for years and never had to tighten it during a day of climbing hangdogging.
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Gmburns2000
May 13, 2013, 11:54 AM
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notapplicable wrote: You fatties need to lose some lbs. I've been climbing with a 'quick adjust' buckle for years and never had to tighten it during a day of climbing hangdogging.
I once saw a guy unknowingly brush his harness up against a sharp(ish) edge. The edge caught the buckle end and when he moved, even if ever so slightly, it loosened the harness just enough for him to notice.
But yeah, I do actually need to lose weight. That's for real.
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shoo
May 13, 2013, 2:16 PM
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Syd wrote: majid_sabet wrote: Syd wrote: acorneau wrote: Syd would be better off asking this on a rope-access forum rather than here. I'm talking about climbing harnesses. Mine is a petzl. you need to use the proper term For heaven's sake ... rock climbing harnesses !
http://www.mammut.ch/...237/Togir-Click.html
Yes, there is such a things as "quick release" buckles in climbing harnesses.
I know it's hard to remember that words mean things, so this is a friendly reminder.
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viciado
May 13, 2013, 2:51 PM
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The harness you linked is not quick release. You still have to loosen the webbing in the speed style buckle enough to be able to pull the gray locking tab out far enough to rotate it and slot it back through the opening in the blue plate.
They are also designed for alpine use and would probably be uncomfortable for more than single pitch.
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shoo
May 13, 2013, 3:08 PM
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viciado wrote: The harness you linked is not quick release. You still have to loosen the webbing in the speed style buckle enough to be able to pull the gray locking tab out far enough to rotate it and slot it back through the opening in the blue plate. They are also designed for alpine use and would probably be uncomfortable for more than single pitch.
Well, you're wrong on all counts.
I've used an older version of this buckle (briefly). Not that complicated. You can very easily open it without loosening the buckle just by pulling the harness up and sucking in your gut. Put it on the same way. People are squishy.
As for the "alpine" thing, this is Mammut's all-arounder harness, just with the quick buckles. It's exactly identical in every way to their standard high end harness, which is intended for all pursuits, except for the buckles. They also make a different, truly alpine-specific harness.
Edit: I don't english good.
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viciado
May 13, 2013, 4:07 PM
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Your forceful reply is rather unwarranted in light of what I wrote.
The buckles are not quick release. They are by design and intent a multi stage release in which you must first release the tension on the webbing (even counting on "squishiness"). That this can be done relatively quickly and easily, does not mean they fit the description of quick release as per up thread indicating a single action release.
As for the other point, I expressed an opinion (qualified by "probably"). I have used the harness and would be fine with it for cragging or alpine as it is light and easily removed. I would not like to use it on multi-pitch and have never used it for such based on the fact that it was uncomfortable to hang in on single pitch.
edit for spelling and clarity.
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Syd
May 13, 2013, 11:58 PM
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I have a Petzl Calidris. The buckles on the leg loops have always slipped and recently I had an incident where the waist buckle slipped on a climb. My wife also has a Petzl harness and her leg buckles always slip.
I've just order a Metolius Safe Tech with "old style" buckles to replace my Petzl. If it works well, I'll buy one for my wife too.
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Syd
May 15, 2013, 2:22 AM
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My new Metolius harness arrived this morning. Testing from a tree in my backyard shows it is easily my most comfortable harness ever. The key is not the padding, but the adjustable leg loop height. Getting it at the correct height, stops the waist band rising up and pressing on my ribs and diaphragm. All buckles are bomber.
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rsmillbern
May 15, 2013, 8:56 AM
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I have to say that this kind of surprises me. I have been using my first harness with the newer style buckles (arcteryx: about 50 days climbing now) with no slipping (or at least no more than the small amount I had with my Misty Mountain Cadillac). My wife used a Petzl Corax with no issues for about 4 years.
I wonder if there are some other factors involved, fit, climbing type, etc... I notice a little slipping in the legs loops when I am walking a lot in my harness (moving from crag to crag or long climbs with some 3rd class pitches)
I really like the Misty Mountain harnesses, but I didn't want to wait for my next trip to NC.
(This post was edited by rsmillbern on May 15, 2013, 8:57 AM)
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