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aulwes
Feb 14, 2002, 7:36 PM
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There are two sites that I've been http://www.barrabes.com (spain) and http://www.rockrun.com (UK). and they both have really good prices. Why is this? At barrabes they sell the 5.10 Ascents for $76.00
And at rock+run they are having a sale on Ascents for ~$82.00. (They had my size at rock+run in the Ascents so I ordered some. My order was going through and the next day I recieved this message form them:
"Dear Joe
Unfortunately at this moment in time Five Ten are not allowing ourselves to
export their products from outside of Europe to the United States.
We are currently in the midst of legal discussions to try and resolve this,
but in the interim period I am afraid I am having to confirm the
cancellation of your Shop Order:...."
What's the deal? Why can't we get the same breaks in the States?
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dogen
Feb 14, 2002, 8:03 PM
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I don't know a whole lot about it, but it has something to do with the MSRP (manufacturers suggested retail price) of a product. I think there are laws in the US that make it very difficult to sell things for less than MSRP. That's probably why they're having legal battles with 5.10.
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wigglestick
Feb 14, 2002, 8:07 PM
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I was wondering about this recently and found a good discussion going on in rec.climbing that shed some light on the subject. Russ Walling, owner of Fish Products, had some good comments.
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Russ Walling wrote:
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Europe the culture so embraces climbing as some sort of wacked national
treasure and the store owners take a small margin on climbing gear.
Kinda like a permanent "bro deal". So instead of taking a 45% margin
(margin, not markup) or more like the gougers in the US, they take as
low as a 30% margin to support the national treasure. Couple this with
the fact that most of the climbing shoes are made in Europe, it makes
for some very interesting and cheap pricing. So, US companies take it
in the ass when selling to a competitive local market in Europe. Not
only do they have high transportation costs in getting the stuff to
Europe, but the cost of the boots sold goes way down to keep the US
producer on the playing field. Add to this the tariff of up to 17% and
a bout of mad cow disease jacking the leather market and next thing you
know, selling at a loss in Europe is a near reality if you are a U.S.
company.
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woodse
Feb 14, 2002, 9:00 PM
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Fact of the matter is that most of the gear is made in Europe, therefore it's cheaper over there because they have no tariffs or taxes and there is little or no dealer markup. It's the the same as Levi jeans selling for $125 in Japan.
woodsE
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miagi
Feb 15, 2002, 11:05 PM
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I forget the english pound to US dollar conversion but there are some pretty cheap places in the US. Usually Europe is infamous for expensive prices. A good example is gas. Thats why they all drive small cars. I know friends of mine who know people from europe and whnever they UK people come to the US they buy alot of stuff because they say its incredibly cheap. What someone said about how since its made in Europe is a good reason why its cheaper. I'd still buy from the US since shipping would be a pain.
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krustyklimber
Feb 16, 2002, 5:01 AM
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Also in most european countries you can't sue a manufacturer of gear to do dangerous sports, it's called assumed liability, it means you assume all risks in that dangerous sport.
Jeff
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paintinhaler
Feb 16, 2002, 5:18 AM
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because, they make the gear there
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