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marc801
Sep 29, 2013, 12:04 AM
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Why? It was something desperately needed 20 years ago.
Don't you (meaning anyone) dare whine about the loss of free camping while you move your $1200 worth of climbing gear to get a bottle from your case of high-end micro-brew out of your SUV....
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mojomonkey
Sep 29, 2013, 2:02 AM
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marc801 wrote: Why? It was something desperately needed 20 years ago. Don't you (meaning anyone) dare whine about the loss of free camping while you move your $1200 worth of climbing gear to get a bottle from your case of high-end micro-brew out of your SUV....
Nice rant / generalization? Am I allowed not to like it if I drink cheap beer, or no beer at all?
It may be nice to have, but requiring slime and the MUA to close is disappointing. Last I read it will still be closed part of the year, leaving no camping option close to the cliff for the nice days that aren't in the period it is "worth" keeping open.
Or maybe I'm antisocial and like having a fire at my site with friends instead of a communal fire pit.
It was also nice that slime was right there - great for folks to make their way to the cliff and then hole up. Yes they can still hike and this won't kill anybody, but there are a lot of reasons people can be unhappy about their loss of options that have nothing to do with what kinds of gear or beer they can afford it.
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Gmburns2000
Sep 29, 2013, 3:05 PM
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mojomonkey wrote: marc801 wrote: Why? It was something desperately needed 20 years ago. Don't you (meaning anyone) dare whine about the loss of free camping while you move your $1200 worth of climbing gear to get a bottle from your case of high-end micro-brew out of your SUV.... Nice rant / generalization? Am I allowed not to like it if I drink cheap beer, or no beer at all? It may be nice to have, but requiring slime and the MUA to close is disappointing. Last I read it will still be closed part of the year, leaving no camping option close to the cliff for the nice days that aren't in the period it is "worth" keeping open. Or maybe I'm antisocial and like having a fire at my site with friends instead of a communal fire pit. It was also nice that slime was right there - great for folks to make their way to the cliff and then hole up. Yes they can still hike and this won't kill anybody, but there are a lot of reasons people can be unhappy about their loss of options that have nothing to do with what kinds of gear or beer they can afford it.
This ^^. One, I've never owned an SUV and two I hate microbrews.
Three, I'm also a bit of an introvert and don't want to socialize with a guitar at the communal firepit. Shit, when I climb I don't even want or need a fire.
Four, SLIME was perfect for people like me who simply wanted a place to crash. There were quiet hours there, and it was super easy to tell someone to be quiet after 10pm because everyone respected the rules. Yeah, the trucks whining up the hill were loud, but it wasn't a ruckus like the MUA could be.
And yeah, now we are likely coming to the point where going to the 'Gunks might require a freaking reservation. Do I need to bring my dinner coat too?
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marc801
Sep 29, 2013, 4:52 PM
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Of course it's a generalization and not specific to you. It's just that in multiple prior discussions on this topic, someone usually brings up the lament of the demise of free camping. It would be nice to derail that hypocritical strawman early in the discussion.
Regarding Slime - I used it when I started climbing in college. That was 1972. It was a noisy shithole then and hasn't changed any in 40 years. Good riddance.
The MUA? Nice if you like camping in a garbage dump complete with 2am drum circles.
I do agree that the proposed operating dates for the AAC are indeed too small a window. There are many climbable days before annual opening and after closing. But something like that is open to negotiation, seeing that the facility hasn't even been built yet.
Gmburns2000 wrote: ...and don't want to socialize with a guitar at the communal firepit. Shit, when I climb I don't even want or need a fire.
Gmburns2000 wrote: And yeah, now we are likely coming to the point where going to the 'Gunks might require a freaking reservation
It's been like that since the 90's. Where have you been?
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Gmburns2000
Sep 29, 2013, 5:27 PM
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marc801 wrote: Of course it's a generalization and not specific to you. It's just that in multiple prior discussions on this topic, someone usually brings up the lament of the demise of free camping. It would be nice to derail that hypocritical strawman early in the discussion. Regarding Slime - I used it when I started climbing in college. That was 1972. It was a noisy shithole then and hasn't changed any in 40 years. Good riddance. The MUA? Nice if you like camping in a garbage dump complete with 2am drum circles. I do agree that the proposed operating dates for the AAC are indeed too small a window. There are many climbable days before annual opening and after closing. But something like that is open to negotiation, seeing that the facility hasn't even been built yet. Gmburns2000 wrote: ...and don't want to socialize with a guitar at the communal firepit. Shit, when I climb I don't even want or need a fire. Gee, there have never been any guitars at Slime or some folks having a heart-to-heart talk long after midnight. Me too regarding campfires. So don't go and hang out at the communal firepit. That and quiet hours seem to work pretty well at the climbers ranch in the Tetons. Gmburns2000 wrote: And yeah, now we are likely coming to the point where going to the 'Gunks might require a freaking reservation It's been like that since the 90's. Where have you been?
I've never liked the MUA. In any case, at Slime it was always easy to find a place on a friday night, as long as you were there before 10pm. And I always found Slime to be respectful, too. If someone was talking or up late, folks would tell them to pipe down and they would. I think I had to do it maybe four times in 6 or 7 years and never heard a gripe. Maybe things changed since the 70s?
With the new campground and the old ones closed, and with it being a pay site, I bet there will be fewer spaces. I bet the new campground will be super nice, just not super friendly to the various existing cultures which, in my opinion, weren't so bad these days.
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meanandugly
Sep 30, 2013, 9:27 AM
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I'll probably still bivi in the truck in the parking lot...its what I've always done.
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mojomonkey
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meanandugly wrote: I'll probably still bivi in the truck in the parking lot...its what I've always done.
I wonder if they will be as lenient on that. I've had friends told they couldn't crash in their car at the stairmaster lot. I figured it was more accepted at the West Trapps lot because overnight parking was allowed for camp slime. Anyone know if overnight parking will still be allowed once slime is closed?
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meanandugly
Oct 1, 2013, 6:24 PM
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Good question
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marc801
Oct 1, 2013, 6:34 PM
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mojomonkey wrote: meanandugly wrote: I'll probably still bivi in the truck in the parking lot...its what I've always done. I wonder if they will be as lenient on that. I've had friends told they couldn't crash in their car at the stairmaster lot. I figured it was more accepted at the West Trapps lot because overnight parking was allowed for camp slime. Anyone know if overnight parking will still be allowed once slime is closed?
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Access to the stairmaster lot is now restricted to the main visitor center entrance. In other words, you have to go through the main visitor entrance and take a left uphill to get into the stairmaster lot. I think it's going to be hard to camp in that lot.
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TradEddie
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marc801 wrote: I don't know for certain, but I'll guess that no, it won't. From the Preserve web site: "Preserve lands are open 365 days a year, sunrise to one hour after sunset."
If Slime is closed there will be no legitimate reason for a car to be parked overnight in either lot, so it will stand out.
End of an era, I suppose. Glad I got to try out MUA, Slime, and even parking at the hairpin. Pity I missed the '60s.
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marc801
Oct 3, 2013, 1:41 AM
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TradEddie wrote: marc801 wrote: I don't know for certain, but I'll guess that no, it won't. From the Preserve web site: "Preserve lands are open 365 days a year, sunrise to one hour after sunset." If Slime is closed there will be no legitimate reason for a car to be parked overnight in either lot, so it will stand out.
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