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Poll: ''what's more dangerous?''
Rock climbing/Bouldering 11 / 23%
Driving a car 37 / 77%
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climbing_guy295


Jun 16, 2007, 4:26 AM
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Ok....I get asked this all the time, I'm sure it's posted too.. but still.

''What's more dangerous?''

Driving a car..?

Rock climbing/Bouldering?

What do yall think?


coastal_climber


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Car - more people driving, and less people climbing.

>Cam


jmccalip


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This should answer your question.

http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=668027


climbing_guy295


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coastal_climber wrote:
Car - more people driving, and less people climbing.

>Cam

hey,

I mean the same number of ppl.. if there were 100 climbers and a 100 drivers? which is more dangerous?


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jmccalip


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Here's a tip, if you want to find out what OTHER people think, don't vote in your own poll.


climbing_guy295


Jun 16, 2007, 4:43 AM
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jmccalip wrote:
Here's a tip, if you want to find out what OTHER people think, don't vote in your own poll.

I think someone's past there bedtimeTongue


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If by "dangerous" you mean like spraining an ankle...

Then it's definitely driving. Cool


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You're never going to get a straight, factual answer. There are to many variables. Say if you were driving on a highway or through a neighborhood, you could never "equal" rock climbing, or visa versa.

If you're just trying to see what people think then ok, great, just don't make a poll(or have every person that votes explain why they think what they do).


jmccalip


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bent_gate wrote:
If by "dangerous" you mean like spraining an ankle...

Then it's definitely driving. Cool

No, serious injuries and death.


Like this person(kinda graphic).
http://club-fiesta.net/...;topic=2428.msg29896


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ja1484


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If they're done competently, neither is exceptionally dangerous. If they're done incompetently, they're both deadly.


Holds true for a lot of activities in life, you'll find.


bent_gate


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jmccalip wrote:
You're never going to get a straight, factual answer. There are to many variables.

Agreed. The best you could do would be to compare how many deaths and how many injuries occur per person per hour of climbing compared to the same for driving.

For climbing, I'm not aware of any statistics beyond the numbers of reported deaths per year. (I bet Majid has them). But then you still need to find the total numbers of climbers, and how many hours they climb a year.

You could try to make some estimates, but good luck.


mikitta


Jun 16, 2007, 5:33 AM
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Demographically, more people are injured each year in automobile accidents than in climbing accidents.

However, inherintly, there is a great amount of risk assumed when one engages in the sport of climbing because there usually aren't "little" accidents. Most climbing accidents result in moderate to severe trauma or death.

However, we, as climbers, accept that risk and do our utmost to minimize it by using our safety gear appropriately and being mindful of our own limitations (ie knowing better than to go climbing when 3 sheets to the wind - I've done a few rescues of drunk college students stranded atop MRC)

Most drivers don't consciously think about the risks inherint in driving a vehicle. it's not at the forfront of their mind as soon as they start the engine. It's just something that is done a lot on autopilot. Perhaps if people approached driving like climbers approach the rock, we would see fewer vehicular deaths.

God Bless,
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mikitta wrote:
Demographically, more people are injured each year in automobile accidents than in climbing accidents.

However, inherintly, there is a great amount of risk assumed when one engages in the sport of climbing because there usually aren't "little" accidents. Most climbing accidents result in moderate to severe trauma or death.

However, we, as climbers, accept that risk and do our utmost to minimize it by using our safety gear appropriately and being mindful of our own limitations (ie knowing better than to go climbing when 3 sheets to the wind - I've done a few rescues of drunk college students stranded atop MRC)

Most drivers don't consciously think about the risks inherint in driving a vehicle. it's not at the forfront of their mind as soon as they start the engine. It's just something that is done a lot on autopilot. Perhaps if people approached driving like climbers approach the rock, we would see fewer vehicular deaths.

God Bless,
mik

Very well said!


rc_vinay


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climbing_guy295 wrote:
Ok....I get asked this all the time, I'm sure it's posted too.. but still.

''What's more dangerous?''

Driving a car..?

Rock climbing/Bouldering?

What do yall think?

no offense. but nOOb asking stupid question is more dangerous then above two.Laugh


notch


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rc_vinay wrote:
no offense. but nOOb asking stupid question is more dangerous then above two.Laugh
Why should the OP not be offended by that?


coastal_climber


Jun 16, 2007, 2:47 PM
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climbing_guy295 wrote:
coastal_climber wrote:
Car - more people driving, and less people climbing.

>Cam

hey,

I mean the same number of ppl.. if there were 100 climbers and a 100 drivers? which is more dangerous?

Well, since I know all the stats, I'll guess driversCool


mturner


Jun 16, 2007, 3:37 PM
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jmccalip wrote:
bent_gate wrote:
If by "dangerous" you mean like spraining an ankle...

Then it's definitely driving. Cool

No, serious injuries and death.


Like this person(kinda graphic).
http://club-fiesta.net/...;topic=2428.msg29896

Why did I have to look at that while I was eating? Crazy


el_layclimber


Jun 16, 2007, 4:52 PM
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I agree that we don't have all the statistics, but one thing I do know is that 43,000 people a year die in car accidents in the US. Alot of these involve people who aren't wearing seatbelts. User error?
Almost every time I am in a car, there is some asshole who nearly hits me. Any climbing injury I have incurred was admittedly my fault. At least the danger of climbing is something I control - the danger of a vehicle includes every other insane American on the road.


bent_gate


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el_layclimber wrote:
.... the danger of a vehicle includes every other insane American on the road.

You have obviously never driven in Brazil or Italy, otherwise you would never be calling American drivers insane Wink LOL


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You have more control climbing than you do in a car. You can control what you climb, how you build your anchor, what decisions you make to keep you safe. On the road you cant stop some dumbass from T-Boning you in the middle of the intersection.


Driving has definitely got to be more dangerous. I don't personally know anyone thats been killed climibng, and only heard of a select few. Meanwhile half my damn graduating class took the darwin train to purgatory "car surfing" so off of my experience, yes, you will die on the road before you do it on the rock.


(alpinists not included - go eat your 5000 calories and huddle in the snow! :D)


uzibear


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depends what type of climbing you do; i've been in two car wrecks, and i've been in climbing situations where if i fell i'd be seriously injured or dead; for me, climbing has been more dangerous


uzibear


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but the thing about driving is that you get careless, and with climbing, you get scared into being careful, it's a big difference


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jmccalip wrote:
bent_gate wrote:
If by "dangerous" you mean like spraining an ankle...

Then it's definitely driving. Cool

No, serious injuries and death.


Like this person(kinda graphic).
http://club-fiesta.net/...;topic=2428.msg29896


"Catsouras was pronounced dead at the scene from head trauma."

Understatement of the god damn century!


drljefe


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I always tell people driving-
But I think it depends on where you drive and where you climb...


mikitta


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Used to be an EMT once upon a time.

Not so sure I can call it proud, but I could look at that photo and analyze the traumatic forces involved.

It goes beyond method of injury.

Had to be hard for the medics working it though. There is only so much dissassociation the mind will allow.

God Bless,
mik

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