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ax
Sep 11, 2002, 3:08 PM
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I've got a climbing trip coming up in a few weeks and I plan on closing many of my open projects.
I've been training hard for it (as I always do anyway) however this time I'm planning on losing 10 or more pounds with an agressive diet plan. I'm 5'10" and regularly 160lb @ about 12% or so body fat. I expect to be at 145 to 150lb @ about 7-9% fat.
MY QUESTION IS.....
Has anyone else here seen an improvement in their climbing primarily based on losing some pounds? How much improvement?
PEACE
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acrophobic
Sep 11, 2002, 3:14 PM
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I really don’t think 10 lbs is going to make a huge difference... but the training, increased strength, cardio and endurance you will gain from exercising to loose the 10 lbs will defiantly help
maybe 10 lbs might help if your doing a 20 pitch route.. but that's about it i think.
if your loosing wieght just by eating less, that's the wrong way to do it. Eat HEALTHY, not less and get a lot of cardio in.
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maurice
Sep 11, 2002, 3:15 PM
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I lost about 15 pounds(from 180-165) and didnt really notice any difference, which is weird really.
But its hard to tell, it was over a few months, i wasnt climbing as hard as i was when i was 180, etc etc.
But i would still say it dosnt make as much
difference as you would think...
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traddad
Sep 11, 2002, 3:15 PM
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I had my spleen removed, lost 10 pounds and five weeks later climbed 2 letter grades higher.
Correlation is not causation.
Traddad
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ax
Sep 11, 2002, 3:24 PM
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Thanks for the feedback...
I'm wondering though (and I'll try this tomorrow to see what happens) how much difference there will be climbing with an extra 10lbs.
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climbsomething
Sep 11, 2002, 3:32 PM
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I can't answer your question (I have never lost weight in the interests of climbing better), but I would say, based on your numbers, that you're already far from hefty; sounds like you take pretty good care of yourself and don't suck down burgers by the dozen. Fleadawg has a good point, you might want some reserves before going into a road trip. Bodies get some abuse while you're travelin'
Whatever you weigh, have a memorable trip and send your projects
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tradguy
Sep 11, 2002, 3:34 PM
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Throw on a big trad rack when you go sport climbing. That can easily be 10 pounds, if you carry lots of cams.
I think 10 pounds would make a significant difference. Not necessarily that you would notice right away, but I would think your ability to stay on small holds longer (due to less body weight pulling you down) would allow you to climb a little harder - especially if it was an overhanging route. Keep in mind, at 160 lbs, you are talking about cutting over 6% of your body mass.
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acrophobic
Sep 11, 2002, 3:39 PM
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Strapping on 10 pounds is more noticeable because it throws off your balance and your body isn't used to this sudden addition. It also isn't distributed around your body. Instead it is in one place, taxing those specific muscles more and not just adding to your overall weight. The right way to do it, would probably to buy lots of 1 pound Velcro work out straps… but ones on each wrist and ankle and the rest around your waist to try and simulate and even distribution. Slapping on 10 pounds right on your back or waist will drag you off the wall more, or tire out your arms or legs if places there…
Hard to simulate.
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punk
Sep 11, 2002, 3:57 PM
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With 12% of body fat it is lean in most cases However If u can get it down to not over 10% and not less then 9% u will be in Ideal mass Fat ratio in order for you to pull harder try the 3 rep method (which is working exlusivly on burst power ) do your exercise with the most amount of weight that u can to have a full 2 reps and almost the third going focus on form positive and negative…if u can do a full 3rd rep then u need to up the weight do 6 rep per exercise with no more then 3 per muscles group a day and working 2 opposition muscles groups per workout u should do it for a full 6 weeks 4 times a week with a day rest btw legs-shoulders, biceps-lats., chest-triceps with stomach every other day …this workout intending to give u a great burst power without increasing in muscle mass and weight…in the meantime on your days off climb only easy stuff just to unstiffen the muscle and to work flexibility…see ya in 6 weeks and lets see what u have to say
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hroldan
Sep 11, 2002, 4:24 PM
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I lost 5 POUNDS in a couple of minutes and it helped me a lot.
Is just a way of seeing it. I started climbing with 5 extra pounds on my chalkbag. ALWAYS. So I got use to it.
I see it backwards, instead of lossing pounds of my body, I gained them only when trainning.
Then, when I tried to measure the difference, I felt like a feather.
Extra weight is another issue but be careful. I try to use it on the gym because when rock climbing youll have the carabiners extra weight.
So is only to get use to it.
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styndall
Sep 11, 2002, 4:53 PM
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I've been a really skinny kid my whole life, so take this with a grain of salt.
I'm 6'1", right about, and when I started climbing, I weighed 140 pounds. I had about 10% body fat. Over the course of six months of climbing and keeping the same activity level otherwise, I've dropped down to just over 130. I climb much better, but that's probably mostly just all the practice I've been getting. All in all, I think it's better to concentrate on climbing well. Just eat healthy, and your body will settle into a good weight for you.
Good luck on the trip.
Stephen Tyndall
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jammer
Sep 11, 2002, 4:54 PM
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You should concentrate on turning that weight into mussel instead of loosing it. You are at the proper weight for your height. Do a lot of reps when exercising to tone your body.
Alan
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ryanxsevn
Sep 11, 2002, 5:25 PM
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Hmmmm get spleen removed to avoid cardio
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astone
Sep 11, 2002, 5:51 PM
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You have to consider that losing those 10 pounds will also cost you some strength since some of the loss will be muscle tissue.
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bigwalling
Sep 15, 2002, 4:13 AM
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I am a bigger person and so losing weight for me helps alot. I have lost 20 pounds and plan on losing another 20(I have extra weight it isn't muscle I'm losing).
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coconutz
Sep 15, 2002, 4:42 AM
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Granted this is not cycling but look at this for a reasonable compairson of body weight v/s what ever.......
Say we have you 160 and your bike 17lbs and we have another you and your other you's bike at ONLY 1% LIGHTER than the real you
(that would be 177lbs v/s 175.23 lbs). Both of the you's are traveling/racing on a climb that is 14k in legnth. The lighter you (175.23lbs) would beat the heavyer you (177) up the said climb by 45 seconds, this assumes a consistant output of energy from both. That is quite a bit for only losing 1% of weight total of the bike/you weight.
Stregnth to weight ration goes up exponitutaly as you lose weight not mass. Your body does not understand mass only weight. the more you lose (fat anyway) the higher your stregnth to weight ration is. Losing 5lbs v/s losing 10lbs is quite a difference. at 1% of your total weight now (that would be 158.4) the above example shows how much of a difference it makes. You looking at loseing roughly 6% of your total weigh (6%=150.4lbs). So........to anwser your question, yes, losing 10 lbs (~6%) will make a difference.
Or on the above example you would beat the heavyer you by 4 1/2 min! That is a lot of time to beat someone up a hill, ask Lance
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Sep 16, 2002, 8:17 PM
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Think of it this way: How would a climb at your limit feel if you tried it with and without wearing a 10 lb weight belt.
-Jay
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tanner
Sep 16, 2002, 10:58 PM
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I tryed to loose a few pounds by eating better(not less) and working out more often. i'm 6' and when from 152lbs to 164lbs and I am leaner and a way stronger climber and mountain biker because of it. So I guess loosing a few pounds isn't always better.
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rocknalaska
Sep 16, 2002, 11:16 PM
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I've tried the same thing, but if the trip is going to last longer than a few days, you're better off not aggresively dieting. You end up with to little energy.
If you're headed on a trip for a week or more, I would suggest being as healthy as possible. If you are aggresively dieting and working out hard, your body will have a very difficult time rebuilding itself. You're less likely to get stronger, and more likely to injure yourself. You're also more likely to get sick. Eat healthy and sensible and work out hard. Listen to your body.
Obviously strength to wieght ratio is important. But to improve you have to be healthy. Most wrestlers don't stay at a low wieght when they train, they only lose it before a match and then gain it back after.
Just a tip, most climbers weak points are their legs and feet. Get them stronger, not just thin and fit. Especially your hamstrings, they tend to be overlooked.
Good Luck.
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Sep 17, 2002, 1:28 AM
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Perhaps I cannot properly offer you an exact view of the situation. Being just a kid, I do not really need to lose ten pounds in order to greatly improve my climbing ability, nor do I really see how anyone really needs to loose ten pounds to become a better climber.
Sounds to me as though you have already been rigorously training for this upcoming outing, and are already psyched (have acquired sufficient motivation) for the sending of your "open projects." With such rigorous training it is really not necessary on losing the weight.
However, if you are absolutely set on losing ten pounds in a relatively short period of time, I again cannot offer you any information pertaining to diet (for this I again apologize), but I can say this: Running is a great help of keeping a person fit, lean and mean...or whatever.
Running can keep the weight off, help you loose the weight, and perhaps even because of doing the aforementioned things aid your climbing abilities. It's really your call.
Hope this helps!
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jt512
Sep 17, 2002, 1:32 AM
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Quote:You have to consider that losing those 10 pounds will also cost you some strength since some of the loss will be muscle tissue.
It doesn't necessarily have to. In order to maintain muscle mass during weight loss you need to do all of the following:
1. Continue training.
2. Create a moderate caloric deficit, about 500 kcal/day.
3. Reduce calories from fat, not from carbohydrate or protein.
4. Using a protein supplement, if necessary, increase your protein intake to around 120 g/day.
-Jay
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dynamic
Sep 17, 2002, 6:27 AM
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I lost 20 lbs (205 - 185) in Uganda this summer and also had a surgery on my lower back when I came home. The wound is almost healed, and I did some bouldering last weekend.
I did a limit problem my first time of really pushing myself in about four months. I'm pretty stoked for when I'm actually in shape. I think that the minus 20 will be very apparent in my climbing.
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Sep 17, 2002, 11:55 AM
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I've been following this thread for a bit now, and finally feel compelled to add my three cents (CDN):
Please please please remember that muscle weighs more then fat. If you're putting on muscle and losing fat, you will look leaner and weigh more.
Also, crash dieting for any reason is not a good idea. Odds are excellent that you will lose the weight temporarily, then put it all back on, and more.
There. I've said it. I feel better now.
Kate
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Sep 17, 2002, 12:34 PM
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One thing that is important to remember, is that with many dieting programs (the "Loose weight fast" ones) - the first 10 or so lbs, is water loss.
Water loss is a bad idea.
When I first changed my diet ("diet" meaning "what I eat"), and started excercizing, I lost a bunch of body mass (fat), but didn't ever really loose any weight, because I gained muscle.
- d.
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ggraham
Sep 18, 2002, 6:26 AM
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My turn.......
So far I've lost 15 pounds and it has made a hell of a difference. I have more stamina and can climber harder grades.
How did I lose the weight.
I followed the low carb route. Around 20g carbs a day for a week. 50% of the weight lost was fluid. The diet starts to feel unhealthy after 3 or four days (i only do it for a week). However I tend to lose 2kg (fat) a week. I know I have lost fat as I have measured my body parts. At the end of the diet I am stronger (minimal loss of muscle mass). I don't recommend this diet. It leaves you tired and your thinking gets a little foggy. My resting heart rate goes up by the end of the week. Why do I do it then? It works......
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