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RyanW2050


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I'm 5'8" and 135lb. Goal is to lose fat and gain muscle, though not in huge amounts.

1. I've been tracking my food for a few days now and I'm already noticing a trend. I don't drink soda at all and my sugars usually end up around 100g each day. (over 200% of what dailyplate.com reccomends) Is this truly too much?

2. I climb (usually boulder) for 7 hours a week. I'm looking to start doing 30-45 minutes of cardio (bike) 2-3 mornings per week. How many daily calories should I aim for with and without the cardio in my schedule?


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That's pretty specific, you should probably talk to a doctor or nutritionist for an answer based on your needs. This site has a few tips on eating for climbers though on the right hand side of the screen http://www.indoorclimbing.com/climbing_games.html maybe it can help you


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What to eat

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you have a great start on reaching your goal. first thing i would do is figure out what your basic metabolic rate is. ie how many calories do you burn in the run of a day. once you know that you can eat accordingly.

to put on muscle you have to eat a little more than you burn, and eating protein certainly helps. the main thing to remember is that sugar or fat don't make you fat the calories do. and as it happens eating protein and vegtables are relativly low in calories (meaning you get to eat more) and are better for you.

I hope that helps somewhat, anymore questions, just ask away


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30-45 minutes of cardio can burn a large difference in calories depending on your intensity. Hard to answer that without knowing what you will actually do when riding.

Also hard to know how many calories you should eat (other than giving a ballpark range) without knowing your age and body comp. I would find someone who provides Body Gem testing in your area, pay for a test, and then work from there. Much more accurate.


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5'8" 135 LB quit worrying about your weight and just climb. you should ba able to push yourself as hard as you want. at that weight you don't have to worry about body fat. do you know your percentage of body fat? for a guy anything less that 6% is unhealthy. the only thing you have to pay attention too is overuse injurys. BTW i am 38yrs old 5'7" 185LB and the army has done plenty of damage to my joints. i climb for the sheer fun of it. try hauling 20 extra LBS of beer up a rock, i do it every time i climb. LOL


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try do a week without any! sugar at all! that should help stabilize your bloodsugars and generel feeling(mood, energy etc).

you need to eat more meat(low fat- sub10%) and more vegetables.

doing cardio is allways good, even when you are not trying to loose weight.
it strengten the heart, lungs and bloodflow(vessels).


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bothomsen wrote:
try do a week without any! sugar at all! that should help stabilize your bloodsugars and generel feeling(mood, energy etc).

you need to eat more meat(low fat- sub10%) and more vegetables.

doing cardio is allways good, even when you are not trying to loose weight.
it strengten the heart, lungs and bloodflow(vessels).


There are VERY few people for whom this statement is true.


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it's more easy to eat to much, when you consume carbs than meat.
meat contains protain, and will likely help to preserve the muscletissue when loosing weight.

well, i have allways had diff. with eating enough meat. and therefore i allways use a protain sup. post workout.


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bothomsen wrote:
it's more easy to eat to much, when you consume carbs than meat.
meat contains protain, and will likely help to preserve the muscletissue when loosing weight.

Your knowledge of nutrition is about on par with your knowledge of how English words are spelled.

Jay


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i'm certainly not a nutritionist but if you may want to google paleolithic diet. I have used this off and on (the longest stretch was 4 months) and with strength/cardio i was feeling really strong and energized. Just my thoughts


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bothomsen wrote:
it's more easy to eat to much, when you consume carbs than meat.
meat contains protain, and will likely help to preserve the muscletissue when loosing weight.

well, i have allways had diff. with eating enough meat. and therefore i allways use a protain sup. post workout.

Drinking shakes with protain
Strong like a freight train
Not a registered dietitian
but a king in the kitchen
Watch me climb these rocks, rocks
never wanna stop stop.
Eating steaks every day
don't you wanna go my way.


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jt512 wrote:
What to eat

Jay
random question, but this reads really similarly to slyde soles' nutrition section in his training for climbing book. did you have a hand in that?


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fresh wrote:
jt512 wrote:
What to eat

Jay
random question, but this reads really similarly to slyde soles' nutrition section in his training for climbing book. did you have a hand in that?

When I saw the book, I had the same question. Clyde and I were active in nutrition discussions on rec.climbing and sci.med.nutrition around 2001–02, shortly before his book was published. When I read the nutrition section of his book, I found his recommendations so close to mine that I couldn't help but wonder how much influence I had had. I was actually a little pissed off about it at the time.

Jay


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jt512 wrote:
bothomsen wrote:
it's more easy to eat to much, when you consume carbs than meat.
meat contains protain, and will likely help to preserve the muscletissue when loosing weight.

Your knowledge of nutrition is about on par with your knowledge of how English words are spelled.

Jay

Indeed, funny how some people don't know that carbohydrates are actually more muscle sparing than protein.


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Your diet should be organic and consist of fruits, vegetables and lean meats. Soy is not healthy, plenty of research on that, and grains can make you puffy and are not needed for good health. Look for protein from natural sources like eggs, meat and beans. If it is in a box or a can, you probably should not eat it.


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younggun wrote:
Your diet should be organic and consist of fruits, vegetables and lean meats. Soy is not healthy, plenty of research on that...

Peoplez say taht on teh intardnet, so it must be troow.

Jay


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jt512 wrote:
younggun wrote:
Your diet should be organic and consist of fruits, vegetables and lean meats. Soy is not healthy, plenty of research on that...

Peoplez say taht on teh intardnet, so it must be troow.

Jay

Whaaaatt? You can not be serious. There is like so much proof. That and soy man boobs even has a celebrity spokesperson.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...lk-gav_n_343897.html






(BTW - I just wanted to do some sort of man boobs / soy link because the phrase "man boobs" is funny.)








(It is even funnier when you say "man boobs" like Gillian McKieth)








(once more - "man boobs")


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Um, get your facts straight (tee-hee). The problem with soy is NOT the man-boobs. That is simply a myth. THe REAL problem with soy is that it is turning our nation's young men gay. Plain, simple, the truth. Its right here: http://www.wnd.com/...asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327
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There's a slow poison out there that's severely damaging our children and threatening to tear apart our culture. The ironic part is, it's a "health food," one of our most popular.

Now, I'm a health-food guy, a fanatic who seldom allows anything into his kitchen unless it's organic. I state my bias here just so you'll know I'm not anti-health food.

The dangerous food I'm speaking of is soy. Soybean products are feminizing, and they're all over the place. You can hardly escape them anymore.

I have nothing against an occasional soy snack. Soy is nutritious and contains lots of good things. Unfortunately, when you eat or drink a lot of soy stuff, you're also getting substantial quantities of estrogens.

Estrogens are female hormones. If you're a woman, you're flooding your system with a substance it can't handle in surplus. If you're a man, you're suppressing your masculinity and stimulating your "female side," physically and mentally.

In fetal development, the default is being female. All humans (even in old age) tend toward femininity. The main thing that keeps men from diverging into the female pattern is testosterone, and testosterone is suppressed by an excess of estrogen.

If you're a grownup, you're already developed, and you're able to fight off some of the damaging effects of soy. Babies aren't so fortunate. Research is now showing that when you feed your baby soy formula, you're giving him or her the equivalent of five birth control pills a day. A baby's endocrine system just can't cope with that kind of massive assault, so some damage is inevitable. At the extreme, the damage can be fatal.

Soy is feminizing, and commonly leads to a decrease in the size of the penis, sexual confusion and homosexuality. That's why most of the medical (not socio-spiritual) blame for today's rise in homosexuality must fall upon the rise in soy formula and other soy products. (Most babies are bottle-fed during some part of their infancy, and one-fourth of them are getting soy milk!) Homosexuals often argue that their homosexuality is inborn because "I can't remember a time when I wasn't homosexual." No, homosexuality is always deviant. But now many of them can truthfully say that they can't remember a time when excess estrogen wasn't influencing them.

Doctors used to hope soy would reduce hot flashes, prevent cancer and heart disease, and save millions in the Third World from starvation. That was before they knew much about long-term soy use. Now we know it's a classic example of a cure that's worse than the disease. For example, if your baby gets colic from cow's milk, do you switch him to soy milk? Don't even think about it. His phytoestrogen level will jump to 20 times normal. If he is a she, brace yourself for watching her reach menarche as young as seven, robbing her of years of childhood. If he is a boy, it's far worse: He may not reach puberty till much later than normal.

Research in 2000 showed that a soy-based diet at any age can lead to a weak thyroid, which commonly produces heart problems and excess fat. Could this explain the dramatic increase in obesity today?

Recent research on rats shows testicular atrophy, infertility and uterus hypertrophy (enlargement). This helps explain the infertility epidemic and the sudden growth in fertility clinics. But alas, by the time a soy-damaged infant has grown to adulthood and wants to marry, it's too late to get fixed by a fertility clinic.

Worse, there's now scientific evidence that estrogen ingredients in soy products may be boosting the rapidly rising incidence of leukemia in children. In the latest year we have numbers for, new cases in the U.S. jumped 27 percent. In one year!

There's also a serious connection between soy and cancer in adults – especially breast cancer. That's why the governments of Israel, the UK, France and New Zealand are already cracking down hard on soy.

In sad contrast, 60 percent of the refined foods in U.S. supermarkets now contain soy. Worse, soy use may double in the next few years because (last I heard) the out-of-touch medicrats in the FDA hierarchy are considering allowing manufacturers of cereal, energy bars, fake milk, fake yogurt, etc., to claim that "soy prevents cancer." It doesn't.

P.S.: Soy sauce is fine. Unlike soy milk, it's perfectly safe because it's fermented, which changes its molecular structure. Miso, natto and tempeh are also OK, but avoid tofu.


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altelis wrote:
Um, get your facts straight (tee-hee). The problem with soy is NOT the man-boobs. That is simply a myth. THe REAL problem with soy is that it is turning our nation's young men gay. Plain, simple, the truth. Its right here: http://www.wnd.com/...asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327

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There's a slow poison out there that's severely damaging our children and threatening to tear apart our culture. The ironic part is, it's a "health food," one of our most popular.

The dangerous food I'm speaking of is soy. Soybean products are feminizing, and they're all over the place. You can hardly escape them anymore.

Or, as Gen. Jack D. Ripper put it...

Gen. Jack D. Ripper wrote:
I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

Jay


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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
jt512 wrote:
younggun wrote:
Your diet should be organic and consist of fruits, vegetables and lean meats. Soy is not healthy, plenty of research on that...

Peoplez say taht on teh intardnet, so it must be troow.

Jay

Whaaaatt? You can not be serious. There is like so much proof. That and soy man boobs even has a celebrity spokesperson.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...lk-gav_n_343897.html






(BTW - I just wanted to do some sort of man boobs / soy link because the phrase "man boobs" is funny.)








(It is even funnier when you say "man boobs" like Gillian McKieth)








(once more - "man boobs")

well done peter griffin.Laugh

The funnier word in all of this is PROTAIN. I need to getz me summa dat!


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jt512 wrote:
altelis wrote:
Um, get your facts straight (tee-hee). The problem with soy is NOT the man-boobs. That is simply a myth. THe REAL problem with soy is that it is turning our nation's young men gay. Plain, simple, the truth. Its right here: http://www.wnd.com/...asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327

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There's a slow poison out there that's severely damaging our children and threatening to tear apart our culture. The ironic part is, it's a "health food," one of our most popular.

The dangerous food I'm speaking of is soy. Soybean products are feminizing, and they're all over the place. You can hardly escape them anymore.

Or, as Gen. Jack D. Ripper put it...

Gen. Jack D. Ripper wrote:
I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

Jay

That's one of my favorite lines from that movie Smile

 

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