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ceebo
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Ive read the book now but the pyramid does not really fit into my circumstances. The gyms im at dont have grading systems so for the most part i either climb somthing that is 'easy' 'medium' 'hard' or 'ill work on it''
The idea i had was to try one of those 'ill work on it' climbs and get as far as i can. Then i will try it again to see if i can pass the part i got stuck on.. if i dont i stop, if i do i will continue attemps untill i fail to pass my ever rising highest point befor stoping.
After a brief rest i will then climb a rout that i know i can only just do.. and then i will repeat it to see if i can do it again. If i fall on second attempt i stop, if i make it i repeat over and over untill i fail.
Another brief rest and then im onto the 'medium' rout with the same aproach as the hard route.
Another rest.. then onto the easy route same as above
All in all on 20 foot walls this would probably take 1 hour to finish. Do you think the easy route i nthe mix is not good? if its easy i dont think i would fail it anytime soon
I was hoping that after a few sessions of this, the 'work on it' route would get naild and then i would pick another 'work on it' route and use the last 'work on it' route as my hard climb. Is this a rediculess way to go about it?
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mr.tastycakes
Feb 20, 2010, 4:52 PM
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edited for irrelevance.
(This post was edited by mr.tastycakes on Feb 21, 2010, 2:17 PM)
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mr.tastycakes
Feb 20, 2010, 5:01 PM
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(This post was edited by mr.tastycakes on Feb 26, 2010, 3:00 PM)
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ceebo
Feb 25, 2010, 11:25 PM
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cant no1 answer this?
Also,im unclear if you can do a 45 min endurence and then do say a 4x4 in the same session and still benifit from both?
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jcrew
Feb 25, 2010, 11:37 PM
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whatever you do, at all costs, avoid the dreaded "false pyramid"
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davidnn5
Feb 26, 2010, 12:23 AM
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jcrew wrote: whatever you do, at all costs, avoid the dreaded "false pyramid"
The one in Israel?
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jcrew
Feb 26, 2010, 12:31 AM
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davidnn5 wrote: jcrew wrote: whatever you do, at all costs, avoid the dreaded "false pyramid" The one in Israel?
um.....????
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davidnn5
Feb 26, 2010, 12:40 AM
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jcrew wrote: davidnn5 wrote: jcrew wrote: whatever you do, at all costs, avoid the dreaded "false pyramid" The one in Israel? um.....????
Tut tut... As in 'near to, but not in Egypt'... 
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johnwesely
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I don't get it.
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silascl
Feb 26, 2010, 1:28 AM
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Is English your first language? If not, I'll have the sympathy to decipher this and try to help you out.
If English is your first language, try and write a coherent post and more people will reply.
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bill413
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ceebo wrote: Ive read the book now but the pyramid does not really fit into my circumstances. The gyms im at dont have grading systems so for the most part i either climb somthing that is 'easy' 'medium' 'hard' or 'ill work on it'' The idea i had was to try one of those 'ill work on it' climbs and get as far as i can. Then i will try it again to see if i can pass the part i got stuck on.. if i dont i stop, if i do i will continue attemps untill i fail to pass my ever rising highest point befor stoping. After a brief rest i will then climb a rout that i know i can only just do.. and then i will repeat it to see if i can do it again. If i fall on second attempt i stop, if i make it i repeat over and over untill i fail. Another brief rest and then im onto the 'medium' rout with the same aproach as the hard route. Another rest.. then onto the easy route same as above All in all on 20 foot walls this would probably take 1 hour to finish. Do you think the easy route i nthe mix is not good? if its easy i dont think i would fail it anytime soon I was hoping that after a few sessions of this, the 'work on it' route would get naild and then i would pick another 'work on it' route and use the last 'work on it' route as my hard climb. Is this a rediculess way to go about it?
The answer is how well is it working for you?
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MS1
Feb 26, 2010, 3:09 AM
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In addition to the poor writing quality, what you have described is wrong in almost every possible way. You will get a flash pump from starting on the hardest routes, which will limit what you can get out of the rest of your workouts. Making every gym session about climbing routes at your limit will train anaerobic endurance but not much else. And it is hard to improve your movements skills if you get really pumped right after arriving at the gym.
If the point is to have fun, and this is working for you, go nuts. But if the point is to improve your skills or strength, this is not the best method. If you make no other changes, at least warm up on the easy routes and then build up to the harder stuff.
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ceebo
Feb 26, 2010, 11:07 AM
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Yes i cant spell or write good, you just won gold medel for stating the obvius.
Warming up goes withought saying so i see no need to mention it.
I understand the concept of pyramids and of 4x4, i also understand its impossible to do them acuritly when their is no grading system at my gyms to base them off.. so forgive me for trying to improvise a mix of both, clearly their is 1 line only.
I do 2 endurence sessions a week, i have no real issues with flash pumps. The only reason i thought of setting it up like this was to have a continues way of assesing any improvements im making while also getting in countless climbs
Im only asking for advice i dont see why people have to be so fking arquard about it, if you have advice or even POSITIVE opinions thank you very much.. if you dont then why the fk do you come h ere other than to put people down? get a life.
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mr.tastycakes
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ceebo wrote: Yes i cant spell or write good, you just won gold medel for stating the obvius. Warming up goes withought saying so i see no need to mention it. I understand the concept of pyramids and of 4x4, i also understand its impossible to do them acuritly when their is no grading system at my gyms to base them off.. so forgive me for trying to improvise a mix of both, clearly their is 1 line only. I do 2 endurence sessions a week, i have no real issues with flash pumps. The only reason i thought of setting it up like this was to have a continues way of assesing any improvements im making while also getting in countless climbs Im only asking for advice i dont see why people have to be so fking arquard about it, if you have advice or even POSITIVE opinions thank you very much.. if you dont then why the fk do you come h ere other than to put people down? get a life.
Grade the problems/routes yourself and do 4x4's. Don't throw the whole activity out the window just because your gym doesn't grade problems for you.
Throwing yourself at a route beyond your ability, then working down the grades until you're exhausted is not a good training routine. It's a crappy training routine, actually.
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ceebo wrote: Im only asking for advice i dont see why people have to be so fking arquard about it, if you have advice or even POSITIVE opinions thank you very much.. if you dont then why the fk do you come h ere other than to put people down? get a life.
Well, the reason why you have not gotten any serious replies is because things that you have posted don't make much sense.
What is your goal? What is your baseline? What are you trying to improve?
You are taking tools, throwing them all together in a pile, then asking if it makes sense for your latest carpentry project. No it doesn't make sense to throw everything in a pile, and we have no idea what your project is, so we can't even say if you have the right tools in that pile, let alone tell you in which order you should use those tools.
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MS1
Feb 26, 2010, 3:45 PM
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I did not put you down, I just told you that your workout plan was bad. Which it is.
The concrete advice I would give you is to invert your order: Start with easy routes and work up to hard routes during your gym sessions. You can still measure your progress that way; just see if you can climb harder routes this week than you did last week. You will find that this trains movement skills much more effectively; it is hard to climb cleanly and efficiently when you are already pumped. And you will get a lot more climbing in because you won't get pumped as quickly.
Beyond that, we can't give useful advice until we know what your training goals are. All I do know is that redpointing the hell out of a gym route, as the first order of the day, won't do much to make you stronger or improve your technique. It's also a good way to get injured, if the route is hard enough.
You are probably helped, rather than hurt, by not having gym grades to base your training plan on. Gym grades are often weird, and anyway it is better to plan your sessions around what feels hard to you, rather than what feels hard to a setter. If you want to build pyramids to track your progress, do them on real rock.
p.s. It would be easier to "spell good" if you used the "check spelling" button before posting. If you continue to write like a third grader, you are going to get flack about it.
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Feb 26, 2010, 4:53 PM
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ceebo wrote: Yes i cant spell or write good, you just won gold medel for stating the obvius. Warming up goes withought saying so i see no need to mention it. I understand the concept of pyramids and of 4x4, i also understand its impossible to do them acuritly when their is no grading system at my gyms to base them off.. so forgive me for trying to improvise a mix of both, clearly their is 1 line only. I do 2 endurence sessions a week, i have no real issues with flash pumps. The only reason i thought of setting it up like this was to have a continues way of assesing any improvements im making while also getting in countless climbs Im only asking for advice i dont see why people have to be so fking arquard about it, if you have advice or even POSITIVE opinions thank you very much.. if you dont then why the fk do you come h ere other than to put people down? get a life.
Dude, you can't even express a complete though.
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ceebo
Feb 26, 2010, 5:37 PM
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I suppose my goal would be to get on f8's, may take a few year.
Im usually sticking to 2 aerobic endurance sessions a week (thank fk for mp3 players) and 1 anaerobic. Then a session of lead climbing or bouldering.
should i change this?
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bill413
Feb 26, 2010, 7:05 PM
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ceebo wrote: I suppose my goal would be to get on f8's, may take a few year. Im usually sticking to 2 aerobic endurance sessions a week (thank fk for mp3 players) and 1 anaerobic. Then a session of lead climbing or bouldering. should i change this?
Yes. the "fk" was superfluous.
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Feb 26, 2010, 7:33 PM
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he expressed himself just fine. Yall are giving him the typical rc.com business.
Snide answers and little to no help.
DMT
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MS1
Feb 26, 2010, 9:29 PM
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You might want to ask people who climb that hard for advice, but if you want mine, I'd guess that you'd see much better strength gains by doing periodized training than with a steady diet of everything at once. Look up rockprodigy's article on this site if you want a decent plan for getting super-strong.
If you think technique is holding you back, try the SCC drills, working on very easy routes at first and then slowly building towards routes at your limit.
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ceebo
Feb 27, 2010, 12:55 AM
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MS1 wrote: You might want to ask people who climb that hard for advice, but if you want mine, I'd guess that you'd see much better strength gains by doing periodized training than with a steady diet of everything at once. Look up rockprodigy's article on this site if you want a decent plan for getting super-strong. If you think technique is holding you back, try the SCC drills, working on very easy routes at first and then slowly building towards routes at your limit.
i found some good stuff from rockprod, thank you.
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