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ceebo
Aug 15, 2011, 9:31 PM
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This shit is full of protein and carbs, just wondering if anybody else has used it and if they think it is worth while?.
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spikeddem
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There are too many powdered substances sold to weight lifters to know what you're referencing.
Many sources suggest after an intense day of anaerobic exercise (performance climbing or anaerobic climbing training, but probably not ARC) it is beneficial to have an easily digestible protein with a source of both complex and simple carbohydrates.
I have been experimenting for less than a week now with what I use to use in my weight lifting days. It consists of water, whey, maltodextrin, and dextrose. For information on it, read here. Depending on your electrolyte intake, you may choose to add salt.
Any kind of "supplement," is just that. A supplement. A healthy diet should serve as a solid back bone to any supplements you decide to use.
Finally, it is usually cheaper to make mixed powders on your own (i.e., buy the whey, maltodextrin, and dextrose separately). Doing so will also allow you to alter the ratios of whey:maltodextrin:dextrose as you see fit.
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Just out of curiosity, Spike, is there a reason you prefer not to have a very high GI carb like glucose in your mix? My "dream" post workout shake would be 4:1 carbs to protein with a quarter of the carbs as glucose, 2 quarters as saccharides, and a quarter as poly saccharides. And it would be chocolate flavored 
And Ceebo, there are tons of different powders sold to weight lifters. I mean tons. Some I can name off the top of my head:
Protein powder
recovery shakes
creatine MH
creatine EE
Nitrious oxide
N.O. Xplode
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CLA
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I'm generally too poor to buy that kind of stuff but I suppose if you'd rather spend money on protien powder than road trips then go right ahead.
What I try to do is take some leftover chicken breast and pasta to the gym w/ me so I can eat right after I cool down.
Seriously though, if you are really looking into suppliments, it would be worth meticulously disecting your diet before hand. There is no reason to spend a bunch of money on suppliments if your diet is fucked up. 90% of the world could eat healthier without spending any more money than they already do...
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Hey dude, have I given you my non-fat chocolate milk rant yet? The illest of cheap post workout nutrition!!
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spikeddem
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sungam wrote: Just out of curiosity, Spike, is there a reason you prefer not to have a very high GI carb like glucose in your mix?
Dextrose = Glucose
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rtwilli4 wrote: I'm generally too poor to buy that kind of stuff but I suppose if you'd rather spend money on protien powder than road trips then go right ahead.
Seems like a false dichotomy to me.
Each drink I have costs me exactly $1.00 to make. A can of tuna has about an equivalent amount of protein, and pasta may be another $0.10. Where I live, that amounts to about $0.89, a difference of $0.11. That difference is only on like 3-4 days out of the week. In a year, you'll save $20.02. Is $20.02 the difference between going on a trip and not? Not even close.
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ceebo
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rtwilli4 wrote: I'm generally too poor to buy that kind of stuff but I suppose if you'd rather spend money on protien powder than road trips then go right ahead. What I try to do is take some leftover chicken breast and pasta to the gym w/ me so I can eat right after I cool down. Seriously though, if you are really looking into suppliments, it would be worth meticulously disecting your diet before hand. There is no reason to spend a bunch of money on suppliments if your diet is fucked up. 90% of the world could eat healthier without spending any more money than they already do...
£30 pound a month (although mine was only 20) for 2 drinks per day is not what i would call expensive. For example, buying only 1 sports drink per day at £1.20 amounts to allot more.
http://www.customisedsupplements.com/...asp?c=24&p=12624
Im not too sure if this is the right kind of drink. I will be putting on some muscle with the campusing so i figured this drink would be ideal for that phase. WIll suck to be wrong.. since ive been using it for 2 weeks. On the other hand, i fart every minute now ;p.. hopefully thats a sign of a good thing.
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ceebo wrote: £30 pound a month (although mine was only 20) for 2 drinks per day is not what i would call expensive. For example, buying only 1 sports drink per day at £1.20 amounts to allot more. http://www.customisedsupplements.com/...asp?c=24&p=12624 Im not too sure if this is the right kind of drink. I will be putting on some muscle with the campusing so i figured this drink would be ideal for that phase. WIll suck to be wrong.. since ive been using it for 2 weeks. On the other hand, i fart every minute now ;p.. hopefully thats a sign of a good thing.
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ceebo
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sungam wrote: ceebo wrote: £30 pound a month (although mine was only 20) for 2 drinks per day is not what i would call expensive. For example, buying only 1 sports drink per day at £1.20 amounts to allot more. http://www.customisedsupplements.com/...asp?c=24&p=12624 Im not too sure if this is the right kind of drink. I will be putting on some muscle with the campusing so i figured this drink would be ideal for that phase. WIll suck to be wrong.. since ive been using it for 2 weeks. On the other hand, i fart every minute now ;p.. hopefully thats a sign of a good thing. Are you using the shake on rest days, or just post workout?
I work allot and use a damn lot of energy before i even step onto a wall. So yes, i use it every day along with what ever food i have the time to ram down my throat between jobs.
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ceebo wrote: sungam wrote: ceebo wrote: £30 pound a month (although mine was only 20) for 2 drinks per day is not what i would call expensive. For example, buying only 1 sports drink per day at £1.20 amounts to allot more. http://www.customisedsupplements.com/...asp?c=24&p=12624 Im not too sure if this is the right kind of drink. I will be putting on some muscle with the campusing so i figured this drink would be ideal for that phase. WIll suck to be wrong.. since ive been using it for 2 weeks. On the other hand, i fart every minute now ;p.. hopefully thats a sign of a good thing. Are you using the shake on rest days, or just post workout? I work allot and use a damn lot of energy before i even step onto a wall. So yes, i use it every day along with what ever food i have the time to ram down my throat between jobs.
Based upon this, I'd get rid of the supplements and square away your diet. Aren't you an apprentice of flesh? You know he'd say you need to square away your diet, too.
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ceebo
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spikeddem wrote: ceebo wrote: sungam wrote: ceebo wrote: £30 pound a month (although mine was only 20) for 2 drinks per day is not what i would call expensive. For example, buying only 1 sports drink per day at £1.20 amounts to allot more. http://www.customisedsupplements.com/...asp?c=24&p=12624 Im not too sure if this is the right kind of drink. I will be putting on some muscle with the campusing so i figured this drink would be ideal for that phase. WIll suck to be wrong.. since ive been using it for 2 weeks. On the other hand, i fart every minute now ;p.. hopefully thats a sign of a good thing. Are you using the shake on rest days, or just post workout? I work allot and use a damn lot of energy before i even step onto a wall. So yes, i use it every day along with what ever food i have the time to ram down my throat between jobs. Based upon this, I'd get rid of the supplements and square away your diet. Aren't you an apprentice of flesh? You know he'd say you need to square away your diet, too.
No, i'm an apprentice of jay actually. I have not used spell check for some 10 posts now. He has either gave up on me  or my spelling has drastically improved to the point where he let's it slide  .
Ehh.. besides, i could not get over 8% body fat even if i tried. Diet for me is a simple matter of ''does it have carbs in it''.. yes, ''eat it''.
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spikeddem
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ceebo wrote: spikeddem wrote: ceebo wrote: sungam wrote: ceebo wrote: £30 pound a month (although mine was only 20) for 2 drinks per day is not what i would call expensive. For example, buying only 1 sports drink per day at £1.20 amounts to allot more. http://www.customisedsupplements.com/...asp?c=24&p=12624 Im not too sure if this is the right kind of drink. I will be putting on some muscle with the campusing so i figured this drink would be ideal for that phase. WIll suck to be wrong.. since ive been using it for 2 weeks. On the other hand, i fart every minute now ;p.. hopefully thats a sign of a good thing. Are you using the shake on rest days, or just post workout? I work allot and use a damn lot of energy before i even step onto a wall. So yes, i use it every day along with what ever food i have the time to ram down my throat between jobs. Based upon this, I'd get rid of the supplements and square away your diet. Aren't you an apprentice of flesh? You know he'd say you need to square away your diet, too. No, i'm an apprentice of jay actually. I have not used spell check for some 10 posts now. He has either gave up on me or my spelling has drastically improved to the point where he let's it slide . Ehh.. besides, i could not get over 8% body fat even if i tried. Diet for me is a simple matter of ''does it have carbs in it''.. yes, ''eat it''.
I'm not talking about losing weight. I'm talking about eating right. Your last sentence clearly shows you do not. Therefore, your supplements won't be as beneficial as they could be.
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ceebo
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spikeddem wrote: ceebo wrote: spikeddem wrote: ceebo wrote: sungam wrote: ceebo wrote: £30 pound a month (although mine was only 20) for 2 drinks per day is not what i would call expensive. For example, buying only 1 sports drink per day at £1.20 amounts to allot more. http://www.customisedsupplements.com/...asp?c=24&p=12624 Im not too sure if this is the right kind of drink. I will be putting on some muscle with the campusing so i figured this drink would be ideal for that phase. WIll suck to be wrong.. since ive been using it for 2 weeks. On the other hand, i fart every minute now ;p.. hopefully thats a sign of a good thing. Are you using the shake on rest days, or just post workout? I work allot and use a damn lot of energy before i even step onto a wall. So yes, i use it every day along with what ever food i have the time to ram down my throat between jobs. Based upon this, I'd get rid of the supplements and square away your diet. Aren't you an apprentice of flesh? You know he'd say you need to square away your diet, too. No, i'm an apprentice of jay actually. I have not used spell check for some 10 posts now. He has either gave up on me or my spelling has drastically improved to the point where he let's it slide . Ehh.. besides, i could not get over 8% body fat even if i tried. Diet for me is a simple matter of ''does it have carbs in it''.. yes, ''eat it''. I'm not talking about losing weight. I'm talking about eating right. Your last sentence clearly shows you do not. Therefore, your supplements won't be as beneficial as they could be.
Spike, tbph m8 i can not be fucking arsed to stick to the kinda diets the likes of you and flesh can. Like when you said my training plan took all the fun out of climbing.. to me, being that maticuless about what i eat does the same.
Btw for the small effort it takes to mix a glass of milk with some powder.. even if it only benifits me 5%, im happy to pay £20 a month for that. Judging from the peak in my stamina lately it feels more like 20%.
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From my perspective, the real advantage of the powder mixes is that I can keep them in the trunk of my car or under my desk at work. I'd love it if I had the free time to cook a nutritious, tasty meal for before and after each workout, but I don't. I do have time, however, to dump of couple of scoops into a Nalgene, shake it up, and slam it down. It's not as enjoyable as a real meal, but it beats going hungry or hypoglycemic, to be sure.
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ceebo wrote: spikeddem wrote: ceebo wrote: spikeddem wrote: ceebo wrote: sungam wrote: ceebo wrote: £30 pound a month (although mine was only 20) for 2 drinks per day is not what i would call expensive. For example, buying only 1 sports drink per day at £1.20 amounts to allot more. http://www.customisedsupplements.com/...asp?c=24&p=12624 Im not too sure if this is the right kind of drink. I will be putting on some muscle with the campusing so i figured this drink would be ideal for that phase. WIll suck to be wrong.. since ive been using it for 2 weeks. On the other hand, i fart every minute now ;p.. hopefully thats a sign of a good thing. Are you using the shake on rest days, or just post workout? I work allot and use a damn lot of energy before i even step onto a wall. So yes, i use it every day along with what ever food i have the time to ram down my throat between jobs. Based upon this, I'd get rid of the supplements and square away your diet. Aren't you an apprentice of flesh? You know he'd say you need to square away your diet, too. No, i'm an apprentice of jay actually. I have not used spell check for some 10 posts now. He has either gave up on me or my spelling has drastically improved to the point where he let's it slide . Ehh.. besides, i could not get over 8% body fat even if i tried. Diet for me is a simple matter of ''does it have carbs in it''.. yes, ''eat it''. I'm not talking about losing weight. I'm talking about eating right. Your last sentence clearly shows you do not. Therefore, your supplements won't be as beneficial as they could be. Spike, tbph m8 i can not be fucking arsed to stick to the kinda diets the likes of you and flesh can. Like when you said my training plan took all the fun out of climbing.. to me, being that maticuless about what i eat does the same. Btw for the small effort it takes to mix a glass of milk with some powder.. even if it only benifits me 5%, im happy to pay £20 a month for that. Judging from the peak in my stamina lately it feels more like 20%.
If you're not trying to lose weight, there's no need to keep such meticulous records. When trying to lose weight, I concern myself with both quality AND quantity. If wasn't worry about weight (your situation), then I'd only be worried about quality. That's what I'm saying.
If you're already saying it benefits you 20%, then I'm not really sure why you asked your question. You seem to have already decided the answer.
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spikeddem wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: I'm generally too poor to buy that kind of stuff but I suppose if you'd rather spend money on protien powder than road trips then go right ahead. Seems like a false dichotomy to me. Each drink I have costs me exactly $1.00 to make. A can of tuna has about an equivalent amount of protein, and pasta may be another $0.10. Where I live, that amounts to about $0.89, a difference of $0.11. That difference is only on like 3-4 days out of the week. In a year, you'll save $20.02. Is $20.02 the difference between going on a trip and not? Not even close.
You have in all figured out ! clever.
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damienclimber wrote: spikeddem wrote: rtwilli4 wrote: I'm generally too poor to buy that kind of stuff but I suppose if you'd rather spend money on protien powder than road trips then go right ahead. Seems like a false dichotomy to me. Each drink I have costs me exactly $1.00 to make. A can of tuna has about an equivalent amount of protein, and pasta may be another $0.10. Where I live, that amounts to about $0.89, a difference of $0.11. That difference is only on like 3-4 days out of the week. In a year, you'll save $20.02. Is $20.02 the difference between going on a trip and not? Not even close. You have in all figured out ! clever.
Also, today when I was looking at my excel file, I noticed that the cost for 23 grams of protein from chicken is $1.00 worth of chicken, whereas it is $0.64 worth of whey.
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spikeddem wrote: ceebo wrote: spikeddem wrote: ceebo wrote: spikeddem wrote: ceebo wrote: sungam wrote: ceebo wrote: £30 pound a month (although mine was only 20) for 2 drinks per day is not what i would call expensive. For example, buying only 1 sports drink per day at £1.20 amounts to allot more. http://www.customisedsupplements.com/...asp?c=24&p=12624 Im not too sure if this is the right kind of drink. I will be putting on some muscle with the campusing so i figured this drink would be ideal for that phase. WIll suck to be wrong.. since ive been using it for 2 weeks. On the other hand, i fart every minute now ;p.. hopefully thats a sign of a good thing. Are you using the shake on rest days, or just post workout? I work allot and use a damn lot of energy before i even step onto a wall. So yes, i use it every day along with what ever food i have the time to ram down my throat between jobs. Based upon this, I'd get rid of the supplements and square away your diet. Aren't you an apprentice of flesh? You know he'd say you need to square away your diet, too. No, i'm an apprentice of jay actually. I have not used spell check for some 10 posts now. He has either gave up on me or my spelling has drastically improved to the point where he let's it slide . Ehh.. besides, i could not get over 8% body fat even if i tried. Diet for me is a simple matter of ''does it have carbs in it''.. yes, ''eat it''. I'm not talking about losing weight. I'm talking about eating right. Your last sentence clearly shows you do not. Therefore, your supplements won't be as beneficial as they could be. Spike, tbph m8 i can not be fucking arsed to stick to the kinda diets the likes of you and flesh can. Like when you said my training plan took all the fun out of climbing.. to me, being that maticuless about what i eat does the same. Btw for the small effort it takes to mix a glass of milk with some powder.. even if it only benifits me 5%, im happy to pay £20 a month for that. Judging from the peak in my stamina lately it feels more like 20%. If you're not trying to lose weight, there's no need to keep such meticulous records. When trying to lose weight, I concern myself with both quality AND quantity. If wasn't worry about weight (your situation), then I'd only be worried about quality. That's what I'm saying. If you're already saying it benefits you 20%, then I'm not really sure why you asked your question. You seem to have already decided the answer.
Yes, but im open to the idea i may be kidding myself on that.. to not feel like i wasted 20 quid, and thats why i asked for others who use it to comment.
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Something weird is going on, you came off of the file list as well?
Oh well.
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Hey Ceebo, my man, can you give us a quick rundown on what you usually eat?
We aren't telling you to go crackhead out and eat that nasty kale shit that (I think it was flesh) was nomming on a while back.
So, what do you usually eat in a day?
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sungam wrote: Hey Ceebo, my man, can you give us a quick rundown on what you usually eat? We aren't telling you to go crackhead out and eat that nasty kale shit that (I think it was flesh) was nomming on a while back. So, what do you usually eat in a day?
What ever i can. Yesterday i had
Morning - cornflakes
Afternoone - a twix 
Tea time - pizza
Night time - mince and dumplins with veg and so
I do usually have dinner, just not that day.
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ceebo wrote: spikeddem wrote: ceebo wrote: spikeddem wrote: ceebo wrote: sungam wrote: ceebo wrote: £30 pound a month (although mine was only 20) for 2 drinks per day is not what i would call expensive. For example, buying only 1 sports drink per day at £1.20 amounts to allot more. http://www.customisedsupplements.com/...asp?c=24&p=12624 Im not too sure if this is the right kind of drink. I will be putting on some muscle with the campusing so i figured this drink would be ideal for that phase. WIll suck to be wrong.. since ive been using it for 2 weeks. On the other hand, i fart every minute now ;p.. hopefully thats a sign of a good thing. Are you using the shake on rest days, or just post workout? I work allot and use a damn lot of energy before i even step onto a wall. So yes, i use it every day along with what ever food i have the time to ram down my throat between jobs. Based upon this, I'd get rid of the supplements and square away your diet. Aren't you an apprentice of flesh? You know he'd say you need to square away your diet, too. No, i'm an apprentice of jay actually. I have not used spell check for some 10 posts now. He has either gave up on me or my spelling has drastically improved to the point where he let's it slide . Ehh.. besides, i could not get over 8% body fat even if i tried. Diet for me is a simple matter of ''does it have carbs in it''.. yes, ''eat it''. I'm not talking about losing weight. I'm talking about eating right. Your last sentence clearly shows you do not. Therefore, your supplements won't be as beneficial as they could be. Spike, tbph m8 i can not be fucking arsed to stick to the kinda diets the likes of you and flesh can. Like when you said my training plan took all the fun out of climbing.. to me, being that maticuless about what i eat does the same. Btw for the small effort it takes to mix a glass of milk with some powder.. even if it only benifits me 5%, im happy to pay £20 a month for that. Judging from the peak in my stamina lately it feels more like 20%.
A true apprentice of jay doesn't make up percentages.
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ceebo wrote: sungam wrote: Hey Ceebo, my man, can you give us a quick rundown on what you usually eat? We aren't telling you to go crackhead out and eat that nasty kale shit that (I think it was flesh) was nomming on a while back. So, what do you usually eat in a day? What ever i can. Yesterday i had Morning - cornflakes Afternoone - a twix Tea time - pizza Night time - mince and dumplins with veg and so I do usually have dinner, just not that day.
Try to get some fruit in there, too. Some fruit juice or smoothy maybe? Tesco usually has pretty good deals on their smoothies compared to the "innocent"ones. If you just have time for a quick bar in the afternoon, check out deep blue nutrition (or other sites) on the net, they got some reasonable prices on meal replacement bars that have pretty decent levels of vitamins and minerals in them. Maybe get some dried fruit/nut mix on the go or something?
Nutrition isn't just about carb/fat/protein ratios. There is a slew of essential minerals and vitamins that your muscles and the rest of your body need to perform at their optimum level.
Edit to add: Ceebo, I have the impression you live in the UK. Am I right? Otherwise a lot of that ^ advice is kinda useless.
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