My gym recently had a event to support a local climber who has Leukemia. There was a raffle in which i won a set of Climb X nuts. Anyone have any experience with this brand? Couldn't really find any review / info... Either way support a good cause / win some free gear win win situation! Thanks

Yep, they are a disgrace. Climb X is a knock off of Mad Rock. The owner of Climb X used to work for Mad Rock. While working there he committed espionage and stole a company computer containing sensitive product development information. He then used his existing knowledge and the data on that computer to completely copy Mad Rock's entire product line. Mad Rock sued Climb X and of course got a settlement. Or at least that is what they say. The only thing that is truly clear is that the owner of Climb X is a very shady and dishonest person. Every person I know that knows the owner of Climb X has had nothing but bad things to say. Dont buy product from Climb X, you are supporting a very shady company.

Yep, they are a disgrace. Climb X is a knock off of Mad Rock. The owner of Climb X used to work for Mad Rock. While working there he committed espionage and stole a company computer containing sensitive product development information. He then used his existing knowledge and the data on that computer to completely copy Mad Rock's entire product line. Mad Rock sued Climb X and of course got a settlement. Or at least that is what they say. The only thing that is truly clear is that the owner of Climb X is a very shady and dishonest person. Every person I know that knows the owner of Climb X has had nothing but bad things to say. Dont buy product from Climb X, you are supporting a very shady company.

Well... I doubt anyone who actually owns anything from Climb X will post on this thread for fear of internet persecution! O well, figured I would ask anyways. They look decent.... I will give them a go this weekend.

All this goes back way before Madrock on both sides of things. This all goes back decades and the fact these two parties are at odds doesn't make either one of them people I'd do business with.

Madrock never pulled this though:
http://climbxgear.com/...autobelaydevice.aspx

...your point being?

I think he's trying to say it looks oddly similar to another very popular product on the market, albeit definitely not made by madrock.

I'm not sure what the point is either, unless he's saying it's only a matter of time before petzl goes postal on them.

That was obvious.

Exactly. That particular point is moot.

Hint: that would be like saying that BD is going to go postal on DMM for producing the Dragon Cams.

Yeah. I would have thought that petzl would have seen this a long time ago.

On the same note, the same year the patent is up on the grigri, the Gri Gri 2 gets released. Go figure.

On the same note, the same year the patent is up on the grigri, the Gri Gri 2 gets released. Go figure.

It seems Climb X has reached a new low. Not only are they steeling ideas from Mad Rock, but apparently now Petzl too. What a joke...

I have been following along, and I am aware that companies like DMM have ripped off designes from other companies like Black Diamond. But there is a big difference between taking a design and improving or modifying it and simply copying an entire product line. Climb X is not taking one product and improving on it, they are simply making cookie cutter replicas for every product they sell - big difference. They are the only "company" in the industry that has a 100% all fake and copied product line. No other company rips off more designs than they do.

You're still operating under the delusion that behavior isn't common to both parties when it's really more just a divorce of a very like-minded couple.

That ship has come and gone so many times as to be a joke in the industry as is starting companies, racking up payables, and bailing to do it serially. If you've missed the endemic plagiarism all along then either you weren't around, weren't paying attention, or were blind.

I did not ask about the bolded part, as that is not been brought up in this thread.

I am asking about the charges against Mad Rock of plagiarism. It's not that I don't believe you; I simply am not aware, but would like to be informed.

I didn't get into climbing until May of 2007, so I haven't been around that long. Since then, I have only used La Sportiva and Scarpa climbing shoes - nothing from Mad Rock.

What did I miss or not notice?

Against Climb X, not Mad Rock. Mad Rock was the plaintiff/ victim.

http://www.dpmclimbing.com/...against-climb-x-gear

The Case of Mad Rock vs. Climb X:

Joe Garland was a Marketing and Sales Manager for Mad Rock during the years of 2002-2009. During his tenure, Garland attended trade shows and over saw the in-house sales staff. In his position at Mad Rock, Garland was allegedly privy to classified information including athlete contacts, business contracts, patent information, and overall company branding standards. He worked for the company from 2002-2009, then in 2010 he departed to pursue new ventures. Upon Garland’s departure, Mad Rock alledges that his desk was cleared out and allegedly a lap top computer was found to be missing. The hard drive of the computer allegedly contained sensitive customer information, as well as photographs of Mad Rock’s products and other proprietary information, including their graphic design and branding standards. The alleged computer was never recovered.

Garland reappeared on the climbing scene months later and launched a new climbing company called Climb X, which was registered in Canada as Climb-X Sports Inc. The new company that Garland formed had undeniably striking similarities to Garland’s past employer Mad Rock. The newly released Climb X ads depicted product photos which are identical to Mad Rock products.

Yes, you are misinformed - this is definitely a divorce between tweedledee and tweedledum. Before this divorce their collective behavior against other manufacturers was exactly the same as what you are now seeing against each other. I find in-turn familial cannibalism fairly amusing and karmic.

Yes, you are misinformed - this is definitely a divorce between tweedledee and tweedledum. Before this divorce their collective behavior against other manufacturers was exactly the same as what you are now seeing against each other. I find in-turn familial cannibalism fairly amusing and karmic.

What did Mad Rock copy?

If you invert that the answer could be a tweet.

I don't know what your problem is, but you keep spouting accusations with nothing to support them with. Give us something to work with and let us decide for ourselves.

Your problem is you're blind or just not paying attention.

Gave them a try today took a whipper on a #2... didn't budge. Probably wouldn't have spent my own money supporting Climb X, but for what its worth they get the job done.

What healy has alluded to like 10 times but seems unwilling to actually say is that the Mad Rock guys used to work for 5.10. Walked out the door one day and started Mad Rock, with a shoe line strikingly similar to the 5.10s of the day.

What healy has alluded to like 10 times but seems unwilling to actually say is that the Mad Rock guys used to work for 5.10. Walked out the door one day and started Mad Rock, with a shoe line strikingly similar to the 5.10s of the day. Except made in china, about 2/3rds the price, and pretty low quality. I don't know who they ripped their carabiners off from, but they pretty much suck too.

I think Mad Rock started in like 2002 or so? So if you weren't climbing then... it isn't surprising that you didn't notice.

(I'm noticing that Healey is having a hard time with specific data points, and rather restates broad assumptions based on circumstantial evidence. Was he working for the GOP this past election cycle?).

That'll hit Joe right below his political belt.

It is not suited for belaying or rappelling. That device is best suited as a trash can weight to prevent trash can loss due to high winds. Fill the can with as many of these as you can find for optimal wind resistance performance.

My gym recently had a event to support a local climber who has Leukemia. There was a raffle in which i won a set of Climb X nuts. Anyone have any experience with this brand? Couldn't really find any review / info... Either way support a good cause / win some free gear win win situation! Thanks

Ha yeah man tried to win that rope myself! By the way I met you at Manchester on friday. Looking forward to that Seneca trip.

That was you?? So random. Thought you said you didn't post, just lurked.

Bring those pirated, and possibly exploding, nuts to seneca and we'll head to the east face. See if we can't take a few falls on em.

I must have not been paying attention either when 5.10 shoes had a different rubber around the perimeter for edging. It toothed heels for hooking. Both MR innovations if I'm not mistaken...