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Does anyone know how the C4's and the new Trango MaxCams compare in axle/head width? I got this from BDEL on the C4's:

.4 Cam = 1/2"
.5 Cam = 3/4"
.75 Cam = 7/8"
#1 Cam = 1"
#2 Cam = 1 1/8"
#3 Cam = 1 1/2"
#4-6 Cams = 1 3/4"

I want some of the bigger sizes to supplement my Aliens...

Jerry


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don't know about the maxcam, but the shop just got some Met super-cams. Well, actually super-cam, since only the small showed up. I didn't notice much difference in the range of it vs. the #2 camalot just playing with it in the store, but perhaps the larger sizes will be a bit more noticable?

The most striking thing about it, IMHO, is the solution to the trigger wire problem, and the way the smaller cam rotates completely around the axle. Pretty trick, while remaining very light in weight. Hmm. I suppose I can't wait to get my hands on one to play with, er, i mean test, in the real world. Too bad it's raining this week.

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here's Trango's page on the MaxCam specs...

http://trango.com/pdfs/CamSpecs.pdf


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here's Trango's page on the MaxCam specs...

http://trango.com/pdfs/CamSpecs.pdf

Thanks VTG, but notice, there are no axle/head widths given...


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Does anyone know how the C4's and the new Trango MaxCams compare in axle/head width? I got this from BDEL on the C4's:

.4 Cam = 1/2"
.5 Cam = 3/4"
.75 Cam = 7/8"
#1 Cam = 1"
#2 Cam = 1 1/8"
#3 Cam = 1 1/2"
#4-6 Cams = 1 3/4"

you sure about that man? those measurements seem very small for headwidths especially in the first few sizes, theres no way that the .4 only has a head width of half an inch, thats like this >-----<.

are you sure that isnt expansion range or something? I just measured the head width on my purple alien (~ #1 camalot) and its headwidth came to about what those specs say a #6 camalot would. seems a bit off.

am i just missing something?

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Does anyone know how the C4's and the new Trango MaxCams compare in axle/head width? I got this from BDEL on the C4's:

.4 Cam = 1/2"
.5 Cam = 3/4"
.75 Cam = 7/8"
#1 Cam = 1"
#2 Cam = 1 1/8"
#3 Cam = 1 1/2"
#4-6 Cams = 1 3/4"

you sure about that man? those measurements seem very small for headwidths especially in the first few sizes, theres no way that the .4 only has a head width of half an inch, thats like this >-----<.

are you sure that isnt expansion range or something? I just measured the head width on my purple alien (~ #1 camalot) and its headwidth came to about what those specs say a #6 camalot would. seems a bit off.

It's what Black Diamond gave me in response to an eMail request for axle/head width info...


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Axle head widths are now posted on our site at: http://www.trango.com/pdfs/CamSpecs.pdf
Note that these are not the length of the axles but the distance between the outer faces of the outer cams.
Mal


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If I had enough extra cash, I'd be buying some of the Trango Max cams, and I think it's really cool that Mr. Daly is an active member hear and through him Trango provides good feedback like updating the spec's with the head width b/c of a thread. It'd be pretty nice to get that much cooperation out of the rest of the gear manufacturers.

just my 2c


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yeah, actually, i just noticed. my #6 camalot from outer lobe to outer lobe is more like 3 1/2"...so thats not correct. i wonder what those numbers are...

thanks Mal for posting up that info, appreciate it.


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yeah, actually, i just noticed. my #6 camalot from outer lobe to outer lobe is more like 3 1/2"...so thats not correct. i wonder what those numbers are...

thanks Mal for posting up that info, appreciate it.

I'd bet they're the spacing between the two axles. How far apart they're mounted in the head unit.

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maybe, except that isnt the same on the #4, #5, and #6, either....the #6 is 1.75, but the #5 is 1.25"...

eh, at any rate, i'm not really sure why this is all that important, anyway?


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...i'm not really sure why this is all that important, anyway?

SO AZ = land of shallow cracks, i.e. CCH Alien territory. Unfortunately, CCH doesn't grow Aliens in the larger sizes. Limitations of intergalactic space travel, I suppose...

Jerry


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Axle head widths are now posted on our site at: http://www.trango.com/pdfs/CamSpecs.pdf
Note that these are not the length of the axles but the distance between the outer faces of the outer cams.
Mal

hmmm... this link takes me to the chart that was on Trango's website originally, but I don't see that there is any additional info regarding the widths...

Jerry


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Here's an exhaustive list of cam specs which includes the usable ranges including head widths courtesy of Clyde Soles. MaxCams are not included unfortunately...

http://www.clydesoles.com/...ont/Information.html


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The most striking thing about it, IMHO, is the solution to the trigger wire problem

What is their "solution"? Can you elaborate?


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yeah, they use kevlar thread instead of cable. mostly due to the fact that the middle thread has to wrap around a cylinder in the middle of the cam. its funky- you have to look at it for it to make sense.


anyway, as for the cams thing- why dont you ask around to see what the standard cam is down in your area?

oh, and the cam width is on the trango spec page....


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Axle head widths are now posted on our site at: http://www.trango.com/pdfs/CamSpecs.pdf
Note that these are not the length of the axles but the distance between the outer faces of the outer cams.
Mal

hmmm... this link takes me to the chart that was on Trango's website originally, but I don't see that there is any additional info regarding the widths...

Jerry

Under the column titled "Cam widths"


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DL'd the file again, and all it shows is:

# Range (mm) Range (in) Weight Strength Color...


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DL'd the file again, and all it shows is:

# Range (mm) Range (in) Weight Strength Color...

Don't know why you can't see it, but here it is for the MAXCAM:

Model # Width (In/mm)
.5 1.9/48
.75 .19/48
1 2.2/55
2 2.2/55
3 2.3/58
4 2.8/70


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DL'd the file again, and all it shows is:

# Range (mm) Range (in) Weight Strength Color...

Don't know why you can't see it, but here it is for the MAXCAM:

Model # Width (In/mm)
.5 1.9/48
.75 .19/48
1 2.2/55
2 2.2/55
3 2.3/58
4 2.8/70

It was wierd; I tried a different browser, and voila! Thanks for taking the time to post it to the thread.

Jerry

 

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