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gunksgoer
Jun 17, 2005, 4:08 PM
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I just happened to be on the ems website and stumbled upon these:
http://images.ems.com/...55/210207055_400.jpg
Although not a big improvement at all, looks like CAMP has finally done something to update their tricams. Id personally like to see a new smaller size as well (the .3 that was never made?), might be fun to fiddle with. Not worth replacing a set perfectly fine set at all, but i just thought it was noteworthy.
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onemistakebigpancake
Jun 17, 2005, 4:18 PM
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I think I still prefer the colored slings... the annodizing looks cool, but for me the different color slings are easier to see on my rack.
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deafclimber
Jun 17, 2005, 4:24 PM
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not bad ! but i wouldnt trade my old pinkies for new ones.
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mgoodro
Jun 17, 2005, 4:26 PM
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More candy!
Personally, I'd rather have the 'color coding' on the sling. It looks like the slings are now all the same color.
[edited for spelling]
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crshbrn84
Jun 17, 2005, 4:43 PM
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i like the spectre slings on them, but think they should have stuck with the colored slings instead of the anodized heads
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taino
Jun 17, 2005, 4:46 PM
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I'll keep the color slings, thanks.
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nedsurf
Jun 17, 2005, 4:48 PM
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ditto on liking the color coding on the sling. :wink:
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tchamber
Jun 17, 2005, 5:09 PM
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What a shame... what a shame indeed...
I guarantee you within 3 weeks the pink and red will be indistinguishable. Anodization seems to wear off so fast, seems more like a gimmick than a useful feature. Not to mention, it looks like the anodization (aside from size) is the ONLY way to tell which size is which.
A sad sad day for a classic piece of pro.
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j_ung
Jun 17, 2005, 5:16 PM
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I don't know... I might like them better colored, but considering that abrasion resistance was always a small Tricam's weakness, IMO, Spectra is an improvment.
Edit: Did I get this backward? Is Spectra less abrasion resistant than nylon? I can never remember this.
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tradalltheway
Jun 17, 2005, 6:14 PM
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I believe those are dyneema slings, but agree that I'd rather have color coding clipped to my harness and not dangling 6" lower.
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sspssp
Jun 17, 2005, 6:40 PM
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There's nothing wrong with annodizing, but getting rid of colored slings? What were they thinking?
Now if they were thinking, they would redesign them and shave 30%~50% of the weight. With new materials and computer designs, they could be a lot lighter and plenty strong.
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skateman
Jun 17, 2005, 7:26 PM
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It looks like Camp just took a big step backwards! I agree with pancake! Isn't spectra less abrasion resistent than nylon?
Dan
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harrisha
Jun 17, 2005, 7:37 PM
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In reply to: It looks like Camp just took a big step backwards! I agree with pancake! Isn't spectra less abrasion resistent than nylon? Dan
Spectra is a lot more abrasion resistent than nylon. It also cost quite a bit more. Looking at the slings I'd say there dynema as spectra only comes in white. Someone with a better chemistry background can explain why you can't dye it. I have to say I am glad I bought the color coded slings a while back instead of waiting and now having to get the annodized version with slings all the same color. I'd probably have the annodized ones reslung.
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j_ung
Jun 17, 2005, 8:22 PM
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From CAMPUSA:
In reply to: The new tricams are distinguished by the dyneema slings (lighter, stronger and more water and UV resistant than nylon) and anodized heads for easy racking. They are available in the first four sizes (0.5, 1.0, 1.5, 2.0) individually and as a set. The traditional tricams are still available.
Looks like all you folks who like your colored slings can still get them. :)
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csgambill
Jun 17, 2005, 8:55 PM
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Looks like everyone agrees when it comes to the colored sling.
In reply to: Isn't spectra less abrasion resistent than nylon? Dan
Nah, spectra is pretty tough. For all intents and purposes, eg. climbing, spectra will hold up as well as nylyon. One difference is that nylon will stretch a little and absorb some of the impact of a fall whereas spectra will not. Just remember not to climb with a static rope. ;-)
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slacklinejoe
Jun 17, 2005, 9:19 PM
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As previously stated, spectra is more abrasion resistant than nylon. It also has the downside of not being able to take a color dye. However, dynemia is a blend of nylon & the newer material so only the nylon threads will take a dye.
I really wish CAMP had dyed the nylon different colors so we could at least get checkerboard color coding on the slings. Mountain tools does soemthing similar on their web-o-lettes for color coding.
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toml
Jun 17, 2005, 10:58 PM
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Personally, I am flabbergasted that Camp has made the effort to update the tricams and has a) failed to reduce the weight, which would be so easy (how about building all of them like the #7!?! you already have the design!) and b) dropped the color coded slings. I was weighting for new Tricams to be redesigned because the weight issue was so obvious, and wondering what was taking them so long. Now this.
Somebody there ought to be fired.
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tattooed_climber
Jun 17, 2005, 11:14 PM
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In reply to: Personally, I am flabbergasted that Camp has made the effort to update the tricams and has a) failed to reduce the weight, which would be so easy (how about building all of them like the #7!?! you already have the design!) and b) dropped the color coded slings. I was weighting for new Tricams to be redesigned because the weight issue was so obvious, and wondering what was taking them so long. Now this. Somebody there ought to be fired.
what are you talking about....compared to cams, tri-cams are lighter....and to use a riveted design like in the larger sizes to all the sizes would be fucking stupid and incrediabley weak.....
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sspssp
Jun 17, 2005, 11:24 PM
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In reply to: Personally, I am flabbergasted that Camp has made the effort to update the tricams and has a) failed to reduce the weight, which would be so easy (how about building all of them like the #7!?! you already have the design!) and b) dropped the color coded slings. I was weighting for new Tricams to be redesigned because the weight issue was so obvious, and wondering what was taking them so long. Now this. Somebody there ought to be fired.
I wish they would make them lighter, but I'm not surprised. Annodizing is a very easy change (so is going to spectra). A redesign would take real work and the plant making them would have to be retooled. There isn't enough of a market (or competition) for them to do this. It wouldn't even surprise me to see them go off the market. However, if they reduced the weight, it would make them even more attractive to carry (especially in nich markets like alpine climbers).
As far as the colored slings go, you could buy the annodized version and then send them off to Yates to have colored spectra slings put on. It would probably add $4~$5 or so per Tricam (plus the hassle).
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eyecannon
Jun 17, 2005, 11:25 PM
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I love anodized stuff, a #7 anodized would be sweet 8^)
I agree on keeping the colored slings though.
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onemistakebigpancake
Jun 17, 2005, 11:38 PM
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In reply to: From CAMPUSA: In reply to: The new tricams are distinguished by the dyneema slings (lighter, stronger and more water and UV resistant than nylon) and anodized heads for easy racking. They are available in the first four sizes (0.5, 1.0, 1.5, 2.0) individually and as a set. The traditional tricams are still available. Looks like all you folks who like your colored slings can still get them. :)
yes, there are still available in the old style... it would have been a shame if they didn't offer it anymore... maybe they predicted a "backlash" or knew that the annodizing would rub off anyway. Just a "new innovation" in a marketing ploy to get you to keep shopping... just like all the so called "innovation" with the other gear. I agree that annodizing is probably the cheapest way of trying to make something appear "new" without major retooling... just like fashion trends.
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dontmaytagme
Jun 18, 2005, 12:02 AM
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[quote="harrisha"][quote="skateman"]It looks like Camp just took a big step backwards! I agree with pancake! Isn't spectra less abrasion resistent than nylon?
Dan
Spectra is a lot more abrasion resistent than nylon. It also cost quite a bit more. Looking at the slings I'd say there dynema as spectra only comes in white. Someone with a better chemistry background can explain why you can't dye it. I have to say I am glad I bought the color coded slings a while back instead of waiting and now having to get the annodized version with slings all the same color. I'd probably have the annodized ones reslung.
It makes the material 'brittle'.
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dirtineye
Jun 18, 2005, 12:19 AM
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I like the colored ones because they look like candy.
I don't think you are going to wear off a lot of the anodizing any time soon, since many parts of the tri-cam never touch rock.
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