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summitseeker
May 3, 2007, 11:57 AM
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Hey ladies, sorry to invade your space, but I do have a legitimate question for you. I love climbing with girls. I enjoy their skills and the way they climb. Yes I do enjoy "watching" the female body climb but I don't feel like it is a "sexual" thing. I'm not looking for a date or anything but climbing partners. Honestly, but how do I convince women to climb with me without seeming like a pervert? Or worse am I really a perv and don't know it? You would think at 45 yrs old I'd have things like this figured out!!! LOL Thanks for your time
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acacongua
May 3, 2007, 12:45 PM
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You're not the only guy who is like that so just climb and don't worry about it.
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granite_grrl
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I have climbed with many men, none of whom I would call a pervert. I guess if I meet someone, male or female, I get along with them and they want to get out climbing with me then I'm more than game.
I have met a few people, exchanged contact info, and later got a bad, kinda creepy vibe while communicating with them. Those ones I don't head out with. People I get the creepyness from right away I won't even exchange contact info with. If you feel you're scaring off women then maybe you ahve to work on limiting the creep in you vibe.
Of course, there are some women that are very very wary. I don't know if they just attract the worng kinds of men, or if their creep radar is a little out, or maybe they just can't say no.
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nthusiastj
May 3, 2007, 2:39 PM
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You're a dude. Of course you're a perv.
But maybe you aren't a creepy perv.
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bitchslabbin
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i had a guy always want to climb with me, then one day someon brought it to my attention that he only ever climbed with women, so the next time I climbed
with him I told him I was married. I never heard from him again and he never returned my calls to climb. Now that's a odd one.
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summitseeker
May 4, 2007, 3:38 AM
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I actually like to climb with both men and women. I like watching mens skills and I like watching womens skills. I basicly just like to climb in groups. Thanks for not calling me a perv. LOL and I'll work on that creepy-ness in my "voice". By the way, man or woman if youre in Oklahoma look me up. I catch better than I climb. I climb 5-9 but I can catch 5-13 LOL!!!
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clausti
May 4, 2007, 7:32 PM
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you're not perverted, in that it's considered normal for straight men to like to watch women climb, or move gracefully in general.
you do sound like you're probably creepy though.
carry on.
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rrrADAM
May 5, 2007, 12:41 AM
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summitseeker wrote: ...Yes I do enjoy "watching" the female body... [snip] ...but I don't feel like it is a "sexual" thing.
This is easy for me to see as I tend to watch the hottest climbers, even if they suck at climbing, not the most graceful.
Am I a perv ??? Nope, just a guy.
Note-My wife is the hottest climber at the gym or the crag, so I watch her only !!! That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. 
(This post was edited by rrrADAM on May 5, 2007, 1:50 AM)
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themadmilkman
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rrrADAM wrote: summitseeker wrote: ...Yes I do enjoy "watching" the female body... [snip] ...but I don't feel like it is a "sexual" thing. The hotter she is the more sexual my thinking is, to be perfectly honest... Her climbing ability, while important, is secondary of she's hot. This is easy for me to see as I tend to watch the hottest climbers, even if they suck at climbing, not the most graceful. Am I a perv ??? Nope, just a guy. Note-My wife is the hottest climber at the gym or the crag, so I watch her only !!! That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
My wife doesn't climb. But she sure as hell understands that I like watching hot girls climb. Or swim. Or run. Or just stand there.
I think you get my point.
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climbingbetty22
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If you have to ask such a questions... the answer is probably yes.
Having said this, there is good perv and bad perv.
When I first met my now fiance on this site, he was talking about how he had a three bedroom apartment in New Paltz and how I should come stay with him and climb.
CREE-PY!!!!
Luckily for him, I eventually decided that I was desperate for climbing partners, so I would climb with him, but I would be staying in my own tent, by myself at the MUA, thank you very much and I would meet him at the crag.
I eventually got to know him and it turns out he wasn't creepy or pervy in bad way at all, he's just one of those people who will give you the shirt off his own back.
Point is, you know your intentions, but the women you ask to climb may not. You come off pressuring them or "convincing" them, they are probably thinking that there is an ulterior motive and hence are wary of climbing with you. You've got to kind of put the invitation to climb out there is a manner that is a non-threatening as possible and just leave it up to them to accept.
Also, if you are 45 and you're asking 20-something's to go climb with you, most of them are going to think you probably have some ulterior motive and that you are a bit creepy/pervy
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slablizard
May 8, 2007, 7:41 PM
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summitseeker wrote: Hey ladies, sorry to invade your space, but I do have a legitimate question for you. I love climbing with girls. I enjoy their skills and the way they climb. Yes I do enjoy "watching" the female body climb but I don't feel like it is a "sexual" thing. I'm not looking for a date or anything but climbing partners. Honestly, but how do I convince women to climb with me without seeming like a pervert? Or worse am I really a perv and don't know it? You would think at 45 yrs old I'd have things like this figured out!!! LOL Thanks for your time
You're not.
Nothing wrong in looking at a woman climb, or walk, or work...that is generally why they wear make up and skirts, they enjoy to be looked at.
I said look, not touch. So don't start accusing me of being a sciovinist male now.
You'll understand immediately from the reaction if a woman enjoys it or not
Asking it is a bit weird thou.
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wonderwoman
May 8, 2007, 8:54 PM
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slablizard wrote: You're not. Nothing wrong in looking at a woman climb, or walk, or work...that is generally why they wear make up and skirts, they enjoy to be looked at.
The jury may still be out on the OP... But apparently slablizard is a perv.
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slablizard
May 8, 2007, 11:02 PM
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wonderwoman wrote: slablizard wrote: You're not. Nothing wrong in looking at a woman climb, or walk, or work...that is generally why they wear make up and skirts, they enjoy to be looked at. The jury may still be out on the OP... But apparently slablizard is a perv.
Why...because I look at a woman's body and I am not afraid to admit it?
Beautiful necklesses by the way. I love "Heavens to Mergetro"
(This post was edited by slablizard on May 8, 2007, 11:04 PM)
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caughtinside
May 8, 2007, 11:29 PM
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wonderwoman
May 9, 2007, 12:58 AM
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slablizard wrote: wonderwoman wrote: slablizard wrote: You're not. Nothing wrong in looking at a woman climb, or walk, or work...that is generally why they wear make up and skirts, they enjoy to be looked at. The jury may still be out on the OP... But apparently slablizard is a perv. Why...because I look at a woman's body and I am not afraid to admit it? Beautiful necklesses by the way. I love "Heavens to Mergetro"
Thank you for the compliment on my stuff, and I am kidding about calling you a perv. But that's what you get when you come in the ladies room!!!
For the record, I don't wear make up, so all men must avert their eyes at all times! And I have actually seen a guy climbing in a skirt before... I asked him if he lost a bet or something. Strange world.
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granite_grrl
May 9, 2007, 12:50 PM
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slablizard wrote: You're not. Nothing wrong in looking at a woman climb, or walk, or work...that is generally why they wear make up and skirts, they enjoy to be looked at. I said look, not touch. So don't start accusing me of being a sciovinist male now. You'll understand immediately from the reaction if a woman enjoys it or not Asking it is a bit weird thou.
Looking is okay, staring is not. There are men out there that confuse women's boobs with their faces out there.
Personally I think women wear makeup for other women more than they wear it for men. And there are some women that can't leave the house without it, those I don't understand and can't explain.
Skirts are just plain comfortable. I'm glad you men enjoy it, but I wear them for myself. I wish men would wear skirts more often (kilts if you would prefer). Nothing better than a well turned calf...yum!
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clee03m
May 9, 2007, 2:02 PM
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I second the comment about comfortable skirts. I actually prefer dresses, though. That way there is NO waist. Ahhh. Very comfy.
I also agree about dressing up for women. When you turn a man's head with your get up, that's nothing. But if women like your outfit, you know you've done it right.
I do get a bit of a creepy vibes from the initial post, but may be different in person may be it's just the wording? Personally I wouldn't want some dude to like to climb with me just because I am a girl. That IS creepy.
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macherry
May 9, 2007, 2:48 PM
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perv factor goes way up when a guy is "ogling" not "appreciating".
It's the difference between, i find you attractive and "you're just tits and ass and i want to do you".
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climb_eng
May 9, 2007, 3:57 PM
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I find it very hard not to look at a beautiful or sexy woman. You reveal legs or breasts to me, and I have to try very hard not to stare. Am I a perv, or is it perhaps just human nature?
Shouldn't a woman take some responsibility for her appearance? If she doesn't want to be ogled, perhaps she should save the up-to-the-butt miniskirt, cleavage enhancing push up bra and super low cut shirt for the club?
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macherry
May 9, 2007, 4:19 PM
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climb_eng wrote: I find it very hard not to look at a beautiful or sexy woman. You reveal legs or breasts to me, and I have to try very hard not to stare. Am I a perv, or is it perhaps just human nature? Shouldn't a woman take some responsibility for her appearance? If she doesn't want to be ogled, perhaps she should save the up-to-the-butt miniskirt, cleavage enhancing push up bra and super low cut shirt for the club?
lame argument. take responsiblity for yourself, if you want to look fine!!!
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htotsu
May 9, 2007, 7:14 PM
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climb_eng wrote: Shouldn't a woman take some responsibility for her appearance? If she doesn't want to be ogled, perhaps she should save the up-to-the-butt miniskirt, cleavage enhancing push up bra and super low cut shirt for the club?
In other words, you ogle, you chose to ogle. All women don't dress up just to have men like you leer at them. Besides, some of them are lesbians and have no interest in your attention at all.
I echo what was said earlier. There is a very big difference between appreciating and ogling. You would do well to learn that difference.
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