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katydid
Dec 8, 2003, 8:27 PM
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Hey folks,
You've given us a lot of input as to what direction you'd like to see the LR go.
People were pretty much split as far as "Cosmo" (non climbing related women's issues) topics go, but outside of that, the below pretty much summarizes people's thoughts:
No trolling or spamming.
Try to be constructive, rather than flaming (not that we see a lot of this, but a precaution)
We would PREFER that posts be climbing-related, but if you have a topic that you feel isn't appropriate for Community, please indicate why in your post.
Men are just as welcome to post as women.
If there's anything you feel we missed, feel free to let us know in this thread. In a nutshell, the TOS applies, and try to keep it climbing-related unless there's a reason you'd rather see your post here than in Community. If you have a reason, let us know, since we can't read your minds. ;)
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iamthewallress
Dec 8, 2003, 9:13 PM
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In reply to: ...try to keep it climbing-related unless there's a reason you'd rather see your post here than in Community. If you have a reason, let us know, since we can't read your minds. ;)
My hunch is that if women post non-climbing-related topics here instead of in community, the reason is that they'd prefer to see the opinions of the people in the LR and would prefer to sheild themselves from the opinions of the people in community.
The more I think about this issue, the more I agree with moabbeth's post in another thread. Many of us climbing women don't get the opportunity to climb with other women that much, and we feel that non-climbing women do not share the same perspectives as we do in the non-climbing-related parts of our lives.
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maculated
Dec 8, 2003, 10:12 PM
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Melissa, don't you think that this is a false sense of security? Ladies Room gets read by guys, too . . . the folks in community may be allowed to react however they wish within the TOS, but if ladies are looking to bare their souls on the Internet, they shouldn't be given false ideas about the 'safety' of Ladies Room to do that.
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iamthewallress
Dec 8, 2003, 11:07 PM
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In reply to: Melissa, don't you think that this is a false sense of security? Ladies Room gets read by guys, too . . . the folks in community may be allowed to react however they wish within the TOS, but if ladies are looking to bare their souls on the Internet, they shouldn't be given false ideas about the 'safety' of Ladies Room to do that.
I agree with what you are saying to a large degree. Some of the personal topics that folks bring up here are not things that I'd be bringing up myself for that reason....because they are personal or truly for-girls-only and the world wide web is not so much.
Still, most of the people that respond are women, and tone of this room is much more respectful than the tone of Community, and it's the participants in each that have made it so. Respect/tone/reception is something that is really hard to guide with a TOS or even with posts that say "Let's talk about climbing, already!" if many of the people posting don't feel the same way. If there weren't a lot of women who wanted to talk about things like Breakups with each other, then that wouldn't be one of the most visited threads in this forum. I actually prefer to talk about climbing, but I understand why women want to talk about other things here too and I'm glad that this continues to be a place where we can do so.
More to my original point...I think that the reason why someone posts here instead of community is usually going to be the same one and I don't see much utility in require that folks spell it out each time they post a non-climbing topic here.
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moabbeth
Dec 9, 2003, 1:41 AM
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Yeah, community just gets so disrespectful in tone sometimes, that doesn't happen here. Even the men that post here are quite honest and respectful and their opinions - at least for me - are valued. At least for me, the non-climbing related discussions are usually just as interesting. And it's nice to know other climbing ladies go through the same things as I do....be it having your heart broken, recovering from an injury, fiendishly wanting to buy more and more gear until our Visa bursts...it's just good to have a place to connect like that. Climbing or non-climbing threads....I find each have some intrinsic value here.
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maculated
Dec 9, 2003, 2:34 AM
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I get both your points, but don't you remember what the point of creating this forum was in the beginning? So that women could comfortably ask women-related questions? I told anyone who asked me for support that I would do so, but it is my experience that if you allow this room to go the way of sorority life, you'll never get it back.
And that said, the Internet DOES translate to real life. It becomes fodder for male 'stalkers,' and can really do some damage to a user's reputation if she suddenly uses a less-than-wise outlet to vent frustration. Isn't that what PM's, IMs, and email are for?
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moabbeth
Dec 9, 2003, 3:51 AM
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In reply to: but it is my experience that if you allow this room to go the way of sorority life, you'll never get it back. And that said, the Internet DOES translate to real life. It becomes fodder for male 'stalkers,' and can really do some damage to a user's reputation if she suddenly uses a less-than-wise outlet to vent frustration. Isn't that what PM's, IMs, and email are for?
Well, I hardly think this place has degenerated into anything like sorority life. It's not like there's conversations about how icky dirt gets under your precious long nails on the rock :lol: !
And I think a lot of us do PM and e-mail each other a great deal outside of this forum, at least I do. It's the occasional non-climbingl posts that are refreshing. I still remember tracyroach's post back early in fall about how she felt following a breakup, that she couldn't believe she was even posting her feelings on this website but she just needed an outlet to feel less alone and less hard on herself. That touched me how much support that thread generated, and how other women shared thoughts, feelings, similar breakup stories, some told her "buck 'up, time moves on", all sorts of things. But the thread as a whole was a really supportive, genuine read that I found inspiring. Girls who didn't even know each other started sharing in that thread. And we're all climber girls so to me, anything that resonates reaction and brings people here into a healthy discussion is a healthy thing.
Do I want to know what color toe-nail polish matches your new Miura's? No. That's the kind of fluff I think of when you reference this thread turning into a sorority life thing.
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