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acacongua
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What is up with people that once they get one chihuahua, they decide to get 3-5 more? These aren't dinner place settings! They're noisy, pooing yippy dogs!
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rightarmbad
Nov 24, 2009, 1:29 PM
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So your point? No matter which way you look at it, you are just weak, my friend.
Um, you have no idea what sort of grades I climb.
I merely pointed out differences between small and big people.
When your foot slips off a meager hold it is because the weight that it could support with that particular rubber interface was exceeded.
Smaller people can stand on smaller features.
If that is the only hold there to use, then the problem may just be undoable for a bigger person, in the same way as if a small person cannot reach a hold and it is the only one there.
Nothing to do with holds breaking, although I do find hold breaking a problem, but that is a lot to do with using different holds from the masses that suit my body position, not most peoples.
Only on slab will the extra weight not be a problem, because on a slab there is a much larger rubber interface to utilize.
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lena_chita
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Nov 24, 2009, 3:54 PM
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rightarmbad wrote: lena_chita wrote: So your point? No matter which way you look at it, you are just weak, my friend. Um, you have no idea what sort of grades I climb. I merely pointed out differences between small and big people. When your foot slips off a meager hold it is because the weight that it could support with that particular rubber interface was exceeded. Smaller people can stand on smaller features. If that is the only hold there to use, then the problem may just be undoable for a bigger person, in the same way as if a small person cannot reach a hold and it is the only one there. Nothing to do with holds breaking, although I do find hold breaking a problem, but that is a lot to do with using different holds from the masses that suit my body position, not most peoples. Only on slab will the extra weight not be a problem, because on a slab there is a much larger rubber interface to utilize.
It is true that I have no idea what grades you climb.
However, your talk about how much more difficult it is to stand on small holds for someone who has bigger feet and more weight to support just doesn't hold true with my observations.
Therefore, I am making inference about you climbing skill levels from the lame argument that you are trying to make.
How small a hold someone can stand on with their feet has a lot more to do with their experience and technique, than it does with their size. Many times I have watched the same jib that some gumbie in brand-spanking-new-super-best-edging shoes claims to be too small to stand on used casually and easily by a strong guy in flip-flops.
This thread has drifted quite a bit...
I think the bottom line that everyone arrives at in discussions like this is quite simple:
Everyone has strengths and weakensses, determined both by their physique (height, weight, size of hands and feet, etc.) and by their prior general fitness level, flexibility, sport-specific conditioning and experience. They are all facets that affect your climbing. You can use a strength to compensate for a weakeness. Or you can train the weaknesses. But either way, you can't just take one aspect of a physique and make a sweeping generalization about how it affects climbing.
I am short. But it doesn't mean that every long move I encounter is automatically more difficult for me because of it.
-Sometimes I am able to make that long move basicly the same way as a taller person does it and still feel that I agree with the consensus grade of the route and it is not much different for me just because I had to make a more dynamic or long move.
-Sometimes I can use a different sequence and still feel that the grade of that route is spot on.
And only in a subset of cases there would be a situation where a long move makes the route feel substantially harder.
If you take any other bodily aspect, it is the same. Maybe a small subset of routes where having just the right size finger knuckles makes a difference at the crux. A small subset of routes where being able to high-step to your ear makes it easier. A small subset where your foot is just the right size for the jam, vs. being too small... A small subset where being able to reach for the good hold makes a difference... And so on.
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caughtinside
Nov 24, 2009, 4:15 PM
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acacongua wrote: What is up with people that once they get one chihuahua, they decide to get 3-5 more? These are dinner place settings! They're noisy, pooing yippy dogs!
camhead is in real trouble!
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camhead
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caughtinside wrote: acacongua wrote: What is up with people that once they get one chihuahua, they decide to get 3-5 more? These are dinner place settings! They're noisy, pooing yippy dogs! camhead is in real trouble!
If I get a chihuahua, I'll make sure to keep it up your ____, caughtinside.
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clee03m
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caughtinside wrote: most don't know this, but Chihuahuas have one of the highest strength to weight ratios of all creatures.
This does not surprise me. My Chihuahua mix can climb a 6 foot chain link fence and can pull a 60 degree roof twice her length made of chicken wire. Not too shabby for a 6 pound dog. She takes after mommy (me) I guess *proud grin*
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camhead wrote: caughtinside wrote: acacongua wrote: What is up with people that once they get one chihuahua, they decide to get 3-5 more? These are dinner place settings! They're noisy, pooing yippy dogs! camhead is in real trouble! If I get a chihuahua, I'll make sure to keep it up your ____, caughtinside.
Are we playing madlibs? Or is this another crag dog thread?
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clausti
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clee03m wrote: caughtinside wrote: most don't know this, but Chihuahuas have one of the highest strength to weight ratios of all creatures. This does not surprise me. My Chihuahua mix can climb a 6 foot chain link fence and can pull a 60 degree roof twice her length made of chicken wire. Not too shabby for a 6 pound dog. She takes after mommy (me) I guess *proud grin*
yeah, did you hear that, CI? chihuahuas are ASS KICKING ROOF CLIMBERS.
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caughtinside
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clausti wrote: clee03m wrote: caughtinside wrote: most don't know this, but Chihuahuas have one of the highest strength to weight ratios of all creatures. This does not surprise me. My Chihuahua mix can climb a 6 foot chain link fence and can pull a 60 degree roof twice her length made of chicken wire. Not too shabby for a 6 pound dog. She takes after mommy (me) I guess *proud grin* yeah, did you hear that, CI? chihuahuas are ASS KICKING ROOF CLIMBERS.
Oh, this is no surprise, that's why I made the comment. After camhead's chihuahua burned me off on a couple routes, I was done for the day! done!!
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ClimbClimb
Nov 29, 2009, 7:19 PM
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The Beastskills site has a FAQ entitled "Am I too fat and/or tall to do these things?" relevant to this, with some pictures of tall and not-tall people.
http://www.beastskills.com/faq.htm
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acacongua
Nov 30, 2009, 3:33 PM
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Oh good goo, Camhead has chihuahua?
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acacongua
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clee03m wrote: This does not surprise me. My Chihuahua mix can climb a 6 foot chain link fence and can pull a 60 degree roof twice her length made of chicken wire. Not too shabby for a 6 pound dog. She takes after mommy (me) I guess *proud grin*
Never met anyone into fence climbing.
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caughtinside
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acacongua wrote: Oh good goo, Camhead has chihuahua?
One that fires 5.12!
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caughtinside wrote: acacongua wrote: Oh good goo, Camhead has chihuahua? One that fires 5.12!
yes, but it also bites unsuspecting 6 yolds.
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clausti
Nov 30, 2009, 6:21 PM
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lena_chita wrote: caughtinside wrote: acacongua wrote: Oh good goo, Camhead has chihuahua? One that fires 5.12! yes, but it also bites unsuspecting 6 yolds.
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caughtinside
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lena_chita wrote: caughtinside wrote: acacongua wrote: Oh good goo, Camhead has chihuahua? One that fires 5.12! yes, but it also bites unsuspecting 6 yolds.
Sounds like we should have it registered as a Dangerous Animal!
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acacongua
Nov 30, 2009, 8:57 PM
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I get it. Clausti is the Chihuahua and it would definitely reveal Camhead's Mormon roots if he got 5-6 more.
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Slightly Chillly,
At the risk of having this drone on more I will tell you what my experience has been. I am 5.10 and a half and around 155 ~my climbing partner is tiny. Like around 5.5. (BTW I thought that 5'7 was the average female height now?) We started climbing at the same time. I am stronger than her and have trained more and in general my technique is better but there are just some climbs that she can do easier than me and in general the climbs are easier because of her lightness~ this is called physics and has to do with weight, BMI, wattage output and lactate threshold. I find that some climbs are just too tight for me to get good leverage in and that is simply body proportion. However, there are some climbs that I do that she has a hard time with that I make look easy. This is not always clear cut to us before we do a climb and we can never tell how it will go. On a good day I enjoy seeing her do well on the harder climbs and on a bad day I wish that I was a more proportional less long legged woman and wonder what all my training has been good for. The nice part is that I am learning to really take advantage of what I have, as is she. :)
Keep working!
~mangirl
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Here is an article that quantifies fitness in climbing. Note all the diagnostic factors that they look at...including bone density. Some of this, to most of you is will be In reply to: as my friend Daniel says is "Let me just take out my "Duh" bag" http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100108101427.htm
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lhwang
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What I need help with is the photo, which says: There are 2 types of climbing: the sport and classical. Is it just me or does the photo show 2 people who are both sport cilmbing.
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