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ja1484


Jun 20, 2007, 3:06 AM

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Re: [dynosore] Possible legal action against CCH Inc.
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dynosore wrote:
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If you can't take responsibility for your own actions

Herein lies the problem. I'd be the last to sue but.....If I properly place an alien but deck because the cam fell apart, they SHOULD be sued. I paid good money for a device that they CERTIFY will hold a certain load, it sure better!

Climbing is dangerous enough without having to wonder if your gear is going to spontaneously fall apart under minimal loads. We use good judgment to keep ourselves safe, but the underlying assumption is that our gear WILL perform as the manufacturer claims.


Wrong. They certify as much as humanly possible, which under 3-sigma means about 99.6% of their product. FWIW, I don't believe CCH uses a 3Sig system.

There is no guarantee that any of your gear will hold when you fall on it. The guarantees you do have are thus:

- The manufacturer has applied the quality control standards they say they have applied
- The manufacturer has done everything they have said to ensure that your gear does hold

Neither of these guarantees that your gear won't rip out or break during a fall. All it tells you is that the vast majority of the time, the gear doesn't do that. In other words, the odds are stacked in your favor.

If you think the case is otherwise, you've misinterpreted the risks you are assuming when climbing and need to rethink them.

John Long has always been very clear about this, and it's why I point people to his books: Your primary safety system in climbing is your acumen and judgment. Your backup safety system is the gear. If you're relying on the gear, you're relying upon a non-redundant safety system - jumping out of the plane with only your backup parachute, so to speak.


People need to realize this:

Every time you go climbing, EVERY TIME, NO EXCEPTIONS, you may die. You may not come back. You may never see your wife, girlfriend, dog, child, or favorite booty call again. Each climber has to decide what that means for themself. For my part, I'd rather die climbing, however remote the chances, than live without climbing.


(This post was edited by ja1484 on Jun 20, 2007, 3:15 AM)



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