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socalbolter


Oct 21, 2007, 4:31 PM

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Re: [bandycoot] ACCESS ISSUE in SD - Could Spread to you
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bandycoot wrote:
Personally I could not care less, but I understand it is important to other people. I think it is lame that people keep these crags secret until there are access issues. We almost lost a valuable crag here in SD due to that. I notified 160 people of the potential road closues, what have you done? Smile

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Fact: The first ascentionists of Shuteye won't publicize the access the Shuteye, even though the ease of access is threatened.

Fact: I don't know where Shuteye is, and am not going to research it for this potential closure.

Fact: I work to keep access open to areas, AND unselfishly spread information about climbing areas that I know about.

Fact: If someone is going to post about a potential road closure, and not even say what road it is, that is not my problem.

Fact: If he has posted what road it was, I could have included that specifically in my newsletter to 160 people. Instead, I had to tell people to look for roads they use that might be closed.

I'm sure he could get more letters, including mine, if he weren't so selfish. They'd rather risk having the access to the climbing area harmed than let people know where it is.

Have a nice day! Cool


OK Josh, here's some replies to your facts (?) from above:

I guess you are assuming that no one else on this site reads the other threads. I have offered to give anyone who contacts me directions to the Shuteye crags, and have done so already to several people. Grahm, myself and others only recently began adding routes there. The group that does not want info posted is the original group of FA climbers from the Valley and El Portal. In an effort to avoid massive infighting among climber groups up there, Grahm agreed to remove his posted directions from the internet. The directions are easy enough to acquire if you only make the effort to ask for them.

Shuteye is in the Western Sierra, just outside of Yosemite National Park. Most of the areas are approached either from Bass Lake or the town of North Fork.

Every post Grahm has made offers direct links to the roads in question. All you need to do is print out the linked page and mail it off to the Forest Service. Pretty easy if you ask me.

Please read my replies above, or in any of the other threads. You're way off base here. Grahm lives up there and makes himself available at the drop of a hat to give tours to folks visiting Shuteye for the first time. He's the good guy in this story. Please stop tweaking the facts of the matter to suit your needs. This is about access pure and simple. Both in San Diego and in Shuteye and elsewhere. As I said before, shoot me an email or PM and I'll gladly give you any Shuteye info you might want. So would Grahm, I'm sure.

Oh, and by the way, we have supported the San Diego access issues and I personally donated a case of Quarry guidebooks to the ACSD for raffle in raising funds for the cause. I also routinely write letters to areas across the country that I've never even seen, much less climbed at. This is the way climbers as a group will make an impact, not by the hypocritical stances that folks like yourselves seem to take.

Let stay focussed on the real access issues at hand and all of us do what we can to support our climbing community in any and all causes. Together we are much stronger.

- Louie Anderson



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