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Re: [pico23] Opinions about the Olympus E-420?
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Nah, you know I'm not one to shy away from a good debate.
Actually, I did know that.
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There was a gap in lens choice in both systems for a few years, there was even a supply issue for a little while until inventories stabilized since both Pentax and Olympus essentially (or did) build ground up digital systems. In the end, the headaches were worth it, because both systems now have essentially a ground up lens lineup.

True if you live in the U.S.A., but when you leave the borders of the U.S., especially in South East Asia, your choices for buying non-canon or non-nikon lens diminish very quickly.
It’s also the second hand market that sees big gaps. Because most people do buy Canon and Nikon, those lens mounts can be bought second hand much easier then other brands.
A large second hand lens market also makes it easier for me to sell my old lenses when I upgrade. Yes, I sell my old lenses when I upgrade, I use the money to help fund the new lens.
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Of course as I noted, with Olympus you can mount a Nikkor 200mm f/2 if you so desire. Or a Minolta 300mm 2.8. This is a huge advantage if AF isn't required.

I'm not going to list all the lenses, but from 10mm to 300mm Pentax has high quality (not a consumer grade lens). From 16-200mm Pentax has weather sealed lenses with f/2.8 apertures (plus a sealed 300mm f/4). I'm just not seeing any big holes. Olympus, has possibly a better lineup of fast glass including the worlds fastest 28-80 equiv lens!!
I am an ex-Pentax user too, but I do think they will last much longer in the field. Today’s markets, not just in photography are consolidating. I am predicting that Pentax will vanish in the next decade with Nikon and Canon staying on top of the market.

Like you, a camera is a means to an end for me. To be completely honest, pictures in most lines are equal in quality with very small differences that most people, including professionals can’t tell. With most photos being displayed digitally or on small to medium prints today, the differences are not all that noticeable.
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Once you get into 200mm f/1.8s, 300mm 2.8s and 600mm f/4s (which Pentax does still produce special order and also has the best close focus of any major brand) you are spending SO MUCH MONEY, that buying an alternate body is inconsequential. I mean a $1500 body on top of $15,000 in glass is not exactly going to break the bank.

Where I'm losing you is the idea that everyone is going to eventually buy a 200mm f/1.8 (a $5000 lens) or a 300mm 2.8 (a $3,500 lens), or a 600mm f/4 which is someplace between $7-12K . I have a Nikon system and have plans for a 300 2.8 but the reality is this is a very specific niche purchase that is solely for high end sports shooting. I don't expect to use this lens off the field very often. Most people have no need, or desire to carry a 200 1.8 or a 300 2.8, or 600 f/4. You do realize a 600mm f/4 weighs 15lbs? You can't carry that around the crag, not for fun anyway.
Agree with you, most people will not own a line of high end lenses.
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The rationale of buying a camera for a lens you might never buy, is about as good as buying a boat trailer for the boat you might never have. Just doesn't make sense. Unfortunately, MOST times advice is given on this rationale.


Seriously Eman, you make money off your photography, what lenses do you own and use regularly? I'm betting you become my proof that a lot of the "lens choice" thing is misinformation. You probably use a wide angle zoom, a normal zoom, and a tele zoom, plus have a fast prime or two scattered in there. I'm willing to bet your could build your entire system with either Oly or Pentax.

You are correct, my lens selection is limited to 10mm to 300. Most of the lens are 2.8 all the way through and I have a couple of fixed lenses in there too. I also have a 2x tele converter to extend my reach some.
Because I live in Asia, I couldn’t have built my whole system around Pentax, the selection wasn’t available without ordering everything online which would have killed my in expenses and imports.
I would also have problems with getting quality work done on those sytem by people certified. So, I choose Nikon. For me, Nikon was right because of the way it handles and feels in my hands.

The transition from Pentax to Nikon was fairly straight forward, but it did take some time. Just like the transition from slides to digital is taking time.
My lenses are a blend of Sigma and Nikon. I am considering getting rid of my fixed 50mm because I hardly use it, but I just upgraded my camera to a D90 which has a full-sensor, so I am waiting to see if the 50mm will get more use.

I have friends who shoot Canon and I sometime use their cameras and they handle fine too.
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Anyway, I've never said any one brand is superior to another. If I had the cash I'd honestly shoot everyone of them. What I have said, is at least look around, beyond the marketing and misinformation to get a camera that suits YOUR foreseeable needs, rather than some potential need years down the road, that may or may not ever become a reality!

This I agree with. Buy what you need, not what other say you want. The reason I don’t buy a profession body is that I don’t need it. I’ve had a D70 for years now. It’s a work-horse of a camera that survives Big Wall First Ascents in Tropical rain forest and equatorial heat/humidity. I only upgraded to simplify my work-flow with my stock agencies.
When I upgraded to the D90, I sold the D70 and it paid for almost 50% of my new body.
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edit to note: my sister in law is impulsive. She buys then thinks about the purchase. The Rebel was literally not on any list. She just saw it on sale (Black Friday) and bought it because she wanted better photos of her son. I got consulted about 2 days later when she realized 1) it didn't work like a point and shoot 2) it might not have been what she wanted. 2 hours of explaining how an SLR works, how the IQ is better because of the larger sensor, how the optical viewfinder is sort of the point of an SLR, etc. Believe me it's easier convincing you guys that Canon neither invented the camera nor always offers the best product then explaining camera design and function to her! I think she kept the Rebel, and if not I don't care!!!! Either way I'll find out in two weeks when we are down there for New Years, I just pray she figured it out by then!Wink
I avoid impulse buying. A photographer friend of mine is impressed with how long I hold out when I buy photo gear. He saw me wait, review, and hold camera bodies for over a year before I bought my D70. I always had a reason for not buying.
When I told him I bought the D90, he was very surprised that I would buy a camera so quickly after it’s initial appearance on the market.

I do agree, look at your long term use of the camera before you buy it. Consider what you need and how the images will be used and avoid buying something because someone recommended it.

Cheers
Eman
PS- WHy did you quit your blog. It was a fun blog to read and visit.


(This post was edited by guangzhou on Dec 19, 2008, 1:21 AM)



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