Ok Jay, so here's the scenario, Sunday I climbed the royal arches with a buddy. We shared a rope. My cousin and his buddy climbed the route as well. They shared another line.

The rappel route can be done with a single line but it is much faster and safer with two. If you are a party of two, it is kind of a pain in the ass to carry the extra line for 15 pitches. So, generally it is nice to hook up with another party at the top, join the ropes and simul rap two at a time down the lines.

The route has at least 10 rappels. How do the first two guys come off the lines without some sort of way to connect to the anchor? Be it a sling, quick draw, whatever you call it, it functions as a daisy. How, even with a party of two and a single line, would you come off rappel if you have multiple stops on shear granite?

Come on Jay. Tell me how to do it safely and I'll never use a daisy again. Don't tell me to hike off either.