Bill Belichick ... Genius, Evil Genius, or Dirty, Dirty Cheater?


Bill Belichick's reputation is that of a brilliant football genius in a ratty hooded sweatshirt.

But recent revelations about the way that Patriots do things could lead to the genius title being stripped ... and the trademark hooded sweatshirt going from the down-to-earth quirk of a brilliant man to nothing more than the standard attire of common thieves everywhere, whether they're stealing cash from liquor stores or signals from the New York Jets defensive coaching staff.

The Patriots, of course, have won three Super Bowls (so far) this decade, and in doing so, have forged a reputation for themselves as the smartest and most noble team in the NFL. They have the smart players, the good character guys ... America went ga-ga over them when they chose not to be introduced as individuals before their first Super Bowl victory. They were a great big ball of wonderful.

And they still might be the smartest team in the league ... but not because they're out-thinking other players and coaches, but because they've found a way to cheat without being caught.

Until now.

ESPN reports that NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has determined that the Patriots broke league rules before NFL security officials confiscated a camera and a videotape from a Patriots assistant who was believed to be videotaping the Jets defensive signals.

If it's true that the Patriots were engaging in such behavior -- and if they've been doing so for a long time -- then there's no punishment strong enough. It's clearly against league rules, clearly against the spirit of clean, honest, competition, and it tarnishes the legacy of the best dynasty in sports over the last decade.

If Roger Goodell chose to take back all three Lombardi trophies the Patriots have won in recent years (again, if the allegations are true), melt them down into a collection of sharp, tiny needles which would then be used to repeatedly poke the eyeballs and going area of head coach Bill Belichick ... I couldn't say that was too harsh.

This is worse than a player using steroids. A player's primary weapon his his body ... his strength, his size, his speed. Even if he chemically enhances those attributes, he still has to take the field and make the plays.

A coach's primary weapon is his mind ... a coach's equivalent to a player doping would be a coach taking some kind of pill to increase his alertness and enhance his power of observation. But even if he was able to make his mind sharper, he'd still have to go out there and do the thinking.

The videotaping and stealing of signals, though ... that's having the work done for you. You no longer have to worry about calling the plays to put your team in a position to succeed, there's no chess match against the other coach, all the guesswork is eliminated ... you know exactly what the defense is going to do, and you respond to exploit it. There's no longer any skill there. Wayne Fontes and Rich Kotite could be labeled geniuses if they had that advantage.

A player's equivalent to this wouldn't be using steroids ... it would be using a taser gun to incapacitate an opposing quarterback.

Think about how easy it would be to beat a defense if you knew exactly what they were going to do. Once you get the team's signals figured out, a coach can spot them in the booth, and then radio them down to the quarterback, via that little green sticker on the back of his helmet ... it would take all of 3 or 4 seconds.

All the sudden, you wouldn't need a quarterback to be able to make any decisions on the fly ... a coach could tell him exactly where the blitz is coming from, allowing him to audible protection to that side ... he'd know exactly where the one-on-one coverage would be, or exactly where the soft spots in the zone would be. It would make things so much easier for an offense. Charlie Frye could be a Pro Bowler if you told him exactly what the defense was doing before the play.

Still, I can't pretend to know how much this has helped the Patriots, and I'm not suggesting that Bill Belichick and Tom Brady are just cheating versions of Wayne Fontes and Charlie Frye.

But these accusations are like steroid accusations in that respect ... no one can really know exactly how much of an advantage someone's getting because of them. Using everyone's favorite steroid example, Barry Bonds ... without (allegedly) using steroids, maybe he still hits 762 home runs, or maybe it's 425. No one can answer that definitively.

And maybe the Patriots still beat the Jets 38-14 if they stole signals or if they didn't. Maybe if they're not stealing signals, they still win, but by fewer points ... maybe they lose 14-0. Again, no one has the answer here.

And if this has been going on for a long time, maybe they still win 3 Super Bowls ... maybe they win 0.

Honestly, that feels like an overreaction ... but that's what cheating does. No matter how much or how little it's actually helped, it surrounds all accomplishments with doubt.

I don't think it's any great stretch to believe that this has been going on for a long time, either. The same assistant who had his video confiscated during the game against the Jets was caught doing the same thing last year in Lambeau Field.

"From what I can remember, he had quite a fit when we took him out," Packers president Bob Harlan told ESPN's Chris Mortensen. "We had gotten word before the game that they [the Patriots] did this sort of thing, so we were looking for it."

So the Patriots were caught doing the same thing last year against a bad team ... and at that time, that bad team had been tipped off by someone else that this was a habit of the Patriots.

I have no trouble believing that this has been going on for years (incidentally, neither do the Pittsburgh Steelers) ... if the Patriots are willing to cheat against a bad team in the opposite conference, it doesn't take a huge leap to think they'd be willing to cheat against everyone else, too. And let's face it, Bill Belichick is not known as the most honest of men.

I hope the league launches a full investigation into this, not just about the Jets game or the Packers game ... they need to figure out exactly how long this has been going on. If the Pats are innocent, or if they're not doing anything that every other team in the league isn't doing, then they deserve to be cleared and have their reputation restored.

And if it can be proven that they've done something illegal, and they've been doing it for a long time ... then they deserve to have the Goodell hammer of justice brought down forcefully upon them. If Pacman Jones gets suspended for a year for sullying the league's wholesome image in a Vegas strip club ... what's the appropriate punishment for someone who cheats to get an unfair competitive advantage on an NFL field, right under everyone's nose?

Having just read this unbiased and exquisitely well written article I have to say that I am just shocked by this news. Isn't it shocking?

Having just read this unbiased and exquisitely well written article I have to say that I am just shocked by this news. Isn't it shocking?

Wow! This is shocking indeed!

you want to site the NY newspaper or blog you got it from? ;)

only in NY do the home crowd cheer when the HOME QB gets hurt.. brilliant..

my guess is that someone will get suspended and probably a fine of some sort..

Suck ya, Jersey?

LOL!!!!!

Yeah, what about the reports that it was actually Man"genius" that started the idea when he was coordinator here?

And seeing as it seems it was his idea, and was going on when he coached here, how STUPID does Mangini have to be to let himself get beat by it? Don Shula was interviewed and his response was "Signal stealing has been going on for decades, and if I'm dumb enough to not have decoy signals then I deserve to get beat. "

and finally, knowing your defensive signals doesn't matter when your players flat out don't tackle, don't cover and your quarterback couldn't deliver fries to the takeout window at McDonalds.


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Suck it, Jersey.

Flame away my New England friends....

I am imune from such attacks today.


Cheater

Cheater

Pumpkin eater.

You know, now that I think about it, I can't figure the Boston/Foxboro connection in Vermont. You're in fucking Burlington. You could spit and hit New York. Why are you guys Red Sox/Patriot fans anyway???!!!

(Apparently the problem is logistics, too many defensive subs mean you'd have to have mics in too many helmets, unlike offense where it's easy to mike just the QB and backup.)

I don't understand. Defenses have signal callers and audibles, just like offenses. Surely it can't be more than two or three guys.

i dont get it. learning to read another team's signals is against the rules?

"NEW ENGLAND Patriots" Vermont is one of those six states. DUH!

Yeah.. and??? Who elected Boston to be the representative of New England. Why not have the Burlington New England Patriots, or the Portland New England Patriots... I personally like the New England Chatham Cheaters. It's got a nice ring.

If I was in Burlington or Portland, I'd be pissed. Yet everyone is walking around with Red Sox, Bruins and Patriots hats. WTF rest-of-New-England? Rhode Island I can understand since it's barely a state and almost a suburb of Boston but New Hampshire??? Vermont??

Come join the Evil Empire Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine and we will at least respect you folks as coming from independent and distinct states. I'll tell you what New England, we'll trade you the fancy part of Connecticut that's part of the Tri-State area for Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine.

Yeah, I thought reading the othe team was kind of...the point.

Well, that's because Boston is OUR city.

It's kind of esoteric but, just like baseball, intentionally stealing signals is illegal. Because any sideline observer could link plays to signals, the defensive coordinator will use dummy signals or variations so that a casual observer couldn't figure out the play calls so it is to some extent up to the defensive coordinator to protect that information, but the league has rules in place meant to curb the blatant stealing of signals.

The cheater, cheater patriots were recording an entire half worth of signals, going into the locker room at half time, decoding those signals and then coming out in the second half armed.

So if a defensive coordinator called a weak side blitz, cheater cheater Tom Brady got get that relayed to him from cheater cheater Bill Belichick and call and audible to adjust for the impending blitz, making them a bunch of cheaters, cheaters, cheaters, all the while taking credit as the smartest team in the NFL.

It's kind of esoteric but, just like baseball, intentionally stealing signals is illegal. Because any sideline observer could link plays to signals, the defensive coordinator will use dummy signals or variations so that a casual observer couldn't figure out the play calls so it is to some extent up to the defensive coordinator to protect that information, but the league has rules in place meant to curb the blatant stealing of signals. The cheater, cheater patriots were recording an entire half worth of signals, going into the locker room at half time, decoding those signals and then coming out in the second half armed. So if a defensive coordinator called a weak side blitz, cheater cheater Tom Brady got get that relayed to him from cheater cheater Bill Belichick and call and audible to adjust for the impending blitz, making them a bunch of cheaters, cheaters, cheaters, all the while taking credit as the smartest team in the NFL.

But again, interview any old school coaches in football, or in baseball and they all tell you the same thing. "We KNOW the other team is trying to steal signs. It's OUR job to change them so they can't. "


Objection! Assuming facts not in evidence, your honor. Unless the prosecution has information he hasn't shared with the defense, no one outside the league office and the cameraman himself actually knows what is on that tape. He could have just been video taping all those hot Jersey Cheerleaders. (OK, I admit the possibility of hot Jersey cheerleaders is a stretch, but you get my point)

And even if they were, this is precisely why smart coaches CHANGE their signals at halftime. Ever see Brady's little arm band reference chart? it changes every quarter of every game. Just like Payton Manning may call the same words in an audible 4 times in a row and they mean different things each time depending of down, base play call, and any number of other factors. Same with defense. Again, not denying the fact that the Pats broke the rule, just speaking to Mo and C's point that it is a stupid rule.


And so whenever Brady, or Manning or Pennigton audibles, it must be because of information received in the helmet? Couldn't just be because of what the QB SEES?

OH WAIT!!! I forgot. The QB's helmet com is turned off AS SOON AS THEY BREAK THE HUDDLE! He's not allowed any communication with the booth or sidelines after that. By the time the defense starts getting set he's already cut off. It is ENTIRELY up to the QB to read based on what he sees. Payton manning is the best at this. The Pats change defensive calls every play, that is why so many players have trouble learning the system. So it is impossible that Manning or his coaches could steal the Pats defensive signals with 400 hours of tape and Big Blue himself crunching the data. Yet Manning STILL picks the Pats apart pretty regularly.

Bill B will get fined, suspended and likely lose a draft pick. And he'll deserve it. And next time he'll STILL outcoach Mangini and most of the other coaches he faces.

Just like insider trading.

Just like insider trading. You can't stand up and say, yeah sure I had inside information regarding this huge merger, but it's for this reason, [insert whatever you want], that I traded on the stock.

never quite understood that either, actually. I mean, as long as I didn't burgal your office or hack your computers to get the info, if I find out about your merger, why can't I use that to my advantage?

And, I'll add that, for several years, they've been regarded as one the best -- if not THE best -- at making "half-time adjustments."

Anywho, it's so esoteric, you got it partially wrong. Teams are allowed to read (or "steal") each others' signals up to a certain point. They're only limited in terms of the technology that may employ to do so.

If the rule is that you can't look across the field, see the other sideline and try to figure out what the D coordinator is trying to signal when he flaps his arms in plain sight, then the rule may as well be that you can yell the play to the huddle via bullhorn while the other team has to put their fingers in their ears and yell out "Na na na, I can't hear you!" and pretend they are deaf. Stupid ass rule, and the Jets are a bunch of titty babies.

Did forget to read the post you replied to? They can do exactly that. What they can't do is video tape signals to analyze later. It's the video camera that makes this an infraction.

Would it be illegal to have a guy with a photographic memory do it?

The difference is that the guy from the Pats is not an insider to the Jets defense.

How about the Chargers last season. They led going into the half and then suddenly in the second half, Brady suddenly and mysteriously had their defense all figured out.

No but, having another basis on which to trade is not necessarily a defense to insider trading. So, saying "yeah we decifered all of the defenisive signals but we were just reacting to the formation when we audibled" doesn't work for me.

And fuck the Jets. I could care less about the Jets. How about the Chargers last season. They led going into the half and then suddenly in the second half, Brady suddenly and mysteriously had their defense all figured out. We'll see what happens on Sunday. For those in survivor pools, I wouldn't pick the Patriots.

I doubt the rule book addresses that contingency. If it does, then yes, it would be. If not, then no. You found a loophole.

Or were you asking if, IMO, it should be illegal?

If you go back and look at the Pats/Chargers game you'll see it has alot more to do with the Pats defense in the second half. Shottenheimer changed his offense to play not to lose. The Pats D forced them Punt, Punt, Punt, FG in four 2nd half possesions. And their offence in the second half went wide open passing because the run wasn't working. And even then they nearly lost it on a Brady pick. Only because the Pats WR stripped it from the DB did they get the ball back and win. If it was signal stealing then the running game would magically have started working, not been abandoned.
Once the Pats came out in 3 and 4 and 5 WR sets, any plays, and hence signals, the Chargers used in the first half against the Pats run attempts were moot.

Poor coaching and clock management cost the Chargers that game and Shotsy his job.

Period. I understand your point, but you're using a poor example.

Not to be overly critical, but let's let Peyton Manning win a few more Super Bowls before we start calling him the greatest QB to ever take the field.

He definitely has the potential, and is well on his way, but I say let him show the results before giving him the proverbial hummer.

Peyton manning can be compared too jomurfumberlingmo oh god dammit I had point but was distracted by a hottie.....


...ya bastard

Not to be overly critical, but let's let Peyton Manning win a few more Super Bowls before we start calling him the greatest QB to ever take the field.

He definitely has the potential, and is well on his way, but I say let him show the results before giving him the proverbial hummer.

I think history will judge Manning like they judge Marino. Yardage, points, passer rating, Pro Bowl appearances... none of that will mean diddly without some more hardware. He's got one. But you compare him to Young, Montana, even Brady, and he still hasn't show the consistent ability to win when it's the most important. That, like the idea of "Clutch hitting" is really hard to quantify, but it matters. He needs to show that he's got the mental toughness to rise to the challenge in big games and drag his team to a victory. If he does that a couple more times, then you will be talking "Greatest ever"

There is no doubt that P. manning is, by the end of his career, likely to be the greatest QB in the history of the game.

He is desimating all the competion in virtually every catagory. All except SB wins. Mind you he just got his first one last season, and i think we are likely to see more from him the fact is of all the stats out there Championships won is still the most important...in my book anyway.

That's interesting but the Hall of Fame is less concerned (only 8 out of 23 Hall of Fame QB's have multiple Superbowl wins).

Extra Jessica Alba pics for the rc.commer who can name all eight (w/out Googling it).

Is it Brady you're missing Reno?

Replace Elway with Farve.

Werner has to be in the list. Right?

Namath
Montana
Young
Elway
Bradshaw
Aikman
Starr

???????????

Neither Brady nor Farve are in the Hall of Fame (yet.)

Yeah, no longer playing professional sports is kind of a requirement for admittance to the Hall of Fame. If it wasn't, Pete Rose would definitely be in there!

Oooo... good try. Nammath and Young only have one a piece, though.

Au contraire, amigo. Young has 3 rings, but only one as a starter.

Yeah, I made the same mistake, thus I had to go back and edit my original post. He should have had two as a starter but one was stolen and ended up on the hand Troy Aikman.

Anyway, how about more Alba pics for who can come up with the number of QB's in the hall of fame with no rings (obviously modern age QB's). I think Marino is the only one but I could be wrong.

Bonus pics for who can tell me who ended Joe Montana's career (w/out Googling).

I like Brett Favre, but he hasn't really played well at all since they lost to denver in the superbowl.

Sure his team sucks, yadda yadda. Do you guys really think he is hall of fame material?

Is it Brady you're missing Reno?

Replace Elway with Farve.

Werner has to be in the list. Right?

Stats wise, maybe. But you have to give him some credit. He could make a play out of anything.

Up to a couple years ago sure. I dunno, I just kind of feel like he should have retired 5 years ago. he went from good to about perfectly average.

Is Warren Moon in the hall of fame?

Elway also retired at the top of his game after being awarded MVP in his last (and second in a row) Superbowl.

Yeah, elway played at a very high level throughout his career. 6 superbowls in 18 years?

Up to a couple years ago sure. I dunno, I just kind of feel like he should have retired 5 years ago. he went from good to about perfectly average.

Yeah, he may have shot himself in the foot if the Hall of Fame is what he wants. At the end of the day, it is a popularity contest and hanging on too long hurts you in that regard.

Yeah, he may have shot himself in the foot if the Hall of Fame is what he wants. At the end of the day, it is a popularity contest and hanging on too long hurts you in that regard.

Maybe, but i doubt it. he's the sentimental favorite. Most of amreica's football fans have watched the last two years, thinking he should hang it up, and then secretly smiling when he decided to go one more round. He'll be in. All time wins leader dontcha know...

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To borrow from my daughter's favorite bedtime song

"The Old Gray Man,
He ain't what he used to be,
Ain't what he used to be...
many long years ago."

well, if it's a popularity contest, I think he's in for sure. Everyone loves brett! They always do little introspectives on him. Bradshaw gets misty eyed when he mentions the name.

But I'd be surprised if his passer rating is above 80 for like the last 5 years.

He's a handful of TD's away from breaking Marino's record this season in less seasons than Marino even though his overall stats are down for the last couple of seasons. I think he'll get in.

Thats a good point about the all time wins leader, forgot about that.

my brother in law is from wisconsin, and believe me when I tell you Favre is a god there. I cant even talk to nate about how the pack would be better off if favre retired or else he gets pissed.

One of the stories i remember hearing the last couple seasons is how Favre won't help mentor the young guy they drafted in there. and then every season it's the 'will he retire' guessing game.

It just seems to me that they aren't even focused on winning football games there any more! The team stinks and they aren't getting better. The other side of the coin though is when the 49ers cut Montana loose. There are people still bitter about that, even though Joe could still play but was past his prime...

I'm originally from Colorado so being a lifelong Broncos fan I completely understand how your bro in law feels.
I was deeply saddened when Elway retired but in retrospect am glad he did so at the top of his game.

PTFTW.

How about a Brent E Football Thread.

The other side of the coin though is when the 49ers cut Montana loose. There are people still bitter about that, even though Joe could still play but was past his prime...

All threads that are not coffee threads have the potential to become brent_e threads. Unfortunately, as soon as they become brent_e threads they get locked.

Ah but this isn't a paralell thread. This is on a specific topic.

Ah but this isn't a paralell thread. This is on a specific topic.

But to avoid the possibility of being locked, I nominate this the Non-Brent-E Football Thread. We should have a place to post throughout the season.

It isn't official unless you change the thread title either.
Oh, and you need at least one mEATBOMz in here.

To answer my own trivia bonus question, Leonard Marshall made the decision easy for the 49ers. Montana missed an entire season and by the time he was back Steve Young was on his way to a Super Bowl ring...

Could they have reasonably given the reigns back to Montana??

And I'll give myself the Jessica Alba pic:

It isn't official unless you change the thread title either.
Oh, and you need at least one mEATBOMz in here.

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I'm Theismann? What a terrible announcer. Not as dumb as Bradshaw, though. I'm petitioning to be Gus Johnson, even though he's more known for basketball.

And no, nobody can save the Raiders, regardless of how far he can throw the ball.

The Raiders would be more successful if Al Davis would actually let the people he hires to do a job do the job he hires them for.

For god's sake the man fired Mike Shanahan!

I'm Theismann? What a terrible announcer. Not as dumb as Bradshaw, though. I'm petitioning to be Gus Johnson, even though he's more known for basketball.
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Yeah, the Raiders won't be saved until Al Davis dies.

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i read today that the raiders are close to signing jamarcus to the richest rookie contract in nfl history. Since when has that ever worked?

Dude missed all of training camp and exhibition season. Although, I guess it is too much to throw a rookie in anyway. Dunno, if you ask me for most quarterbacks coming out of college it really is a coin flip whether or not they'll be any good.

The better ones always seem to go late (like Roethlsiberger).

Anyway, I hear he was holding out until his contract was worth more than Mario Williams' contract. WTF? Leinert and Vince Young were better prospects than this guy. Is Oakland that desperate???

May it please the court, I'd like to pettition for the inclusion of Halle Berry pictures as well. While I admire Miss Alba's remarkable ass(ets), I think Miss Berry (non-preggers, of course) is another worthy addition to this, the breast best football thread not affiliated with BET.

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Defense rests, Your Honorable Lordship. Sir.

i read today that the raiders are close to signing jamarcus to the richest rookie contract in nfl history. Since when has that ever worked?

Dude missed all of training camp and exhibition season. Although, I guess it is too much to throw a rookie in anyway. Dunno, if you ask me for most quarterbacks coming out of college it really is a coin flip whether or not they'll be any good.

I think it's a couple things. yes, oakland is that desperate. also, al davis likes to get the 'best' whether it be randy moss (that worked out real well) warren sapp (same) or whatever. He also favors a deep passing offense, and probably secretly likes having a super hyped up most expensive rookie qb.

Leinart, Young, Cutler and the Mannings all did pretty well.
Davis will play him early, just wait and see.

All that hype plays well with their fan base too which (and all due disrespect to any Oakland fans out there) are the worst fans in the NFL. I was in SD during a Chargers/Raiders game a few years ago. Man, i thought Jets fans were bad. School in the summer, school in the summer.

Oh no, it is true. and they are fiercely PROUD of that! That is why they can't sell out games! The hardcore kill em all raider fans scare away the less hard core. You couldn't take a kid to one of those games!

Hmm, those guys did play well you're right. I'd add Carson Palmer to your list too. But I wouldn't call any of them 'great' qbs yet (except peyton). I think the rest are all promising, but still have to earn their chops.

Now, Rex Grossman? Starter for any team in the league!

Agreed that JaMarcus will start this season. Only question is when.

Oh no, it is true. and they are fiercely PROUD of that! That is why they can't sell out games! The hardcore kill em all raider fans scare away the less hard core. You couldn't take a kid to one of those games!

You're right about Palmer.
Don't forget about Marino's rookie year either.
Elway had a horrible rookie season, yet went on to great things.

Fiercely proud of being the biggest trash in professional football to an almost and in some, no, most cases criminal level.

Jets fans are bad, Pittsburgh fans are worse but Raiders fans need to be moved to some sort of "Escape from New York/LA" type facility. They can not be allowed to mix with civilized society.

Next topic. With Larry Fitzgerald and some of the best receivers in the NFL, will Leinart get a chance to throw the ball. a lousy offensive line now worsened with injuries. Is it time to drop/bench Leinart from the fantasy roster?

Don't forget Phillip Rivers in SD. He was pretty good last year.

Hey, what about Vick? He was taken #1 overall.

Fiercely proud of being the biggest trash in professional football to an almost and in some, no, most cases criminal level.

Jets fans are bad, Pittsburgh fans are worse but Raiders fans need to be moved to some sort of "Escape from New York/LA" type facility. They can not be allowed to mix with civilized society.

Next topic. With Larry Fitzgerald and some of the best receivers in the NFL, will Leinart get a chance to throw the ball. a lousy offensive line now worsened with injuries. Is it time to drop/bench Leinart from the fantasy roster?