Grow up. Maybe you should consider that they're just kids, and that's what kids do. They goof around and have fun and generally don't follow instructions. They have every right to be at YOUR gym, don't they? Just ignore them and climb.

Christ, you can't post anything on this place without making someone mad...

Well I derived that you are talking about SRG, from reading your previous post. To the gym's defense, they are a business and they need to make money to exist, and it is summer, kids are out of school.

I personally don't think they would survive with just member revenues, i.e. climbmax. The day pass revenue is what pays the rent. Kids go to the day camp, then they beg their parents to take them back, then the parents have their kids birthday party their. In turn its all more $$$, not to say that the owner is in it for just the money. Me being a member, I don't generate additional revenues like that model does.

SRG is a good gym, with good people who work there, and there are always good routes going up(Eric's routes).

But yes it does suck topping out on that v4 all pumped out ready to jump only to find there are 5 kiddies on your pad playing tag. Thing I hate most is the flying gri gris, and then the thud as it hits the wall. Watch out when those things are thrown, they are at the below the equator region and can have you seeing stars.

P.S. You are going at the wrong times. Week nights 8-10 is when its at. That is when all the hard plastic is pulled.

Aren't you the one who posted mad?

Maybe you should consider that they're just kids, and that's what kids do. They goof around and have fun and generally don't follow instructions.

Um, go outside and climb on real rock. You avoid the members fees, it's more fun, and on top of all that, there tends to be less little kids making things hard for you...

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Um, go outside and climb on real rock.

You avoid the members fees

it's more fun

on top of all that, there tends to be less little kids making things hard for you

Go boulder for 3 months. Then you will have 135$ (3*45) which will buy you a rope at rei. Then buy a tibloc, fix a line and go climb....No belayer needed

Uh, this is a troll, right? RIGHT?!

Well I derived that you are talking about SRG, from reading your previous post. To the gym's defense, they are a business and they need to make money to exist, and it is summer, kids are out of school.

I personally don't think they would survive with just member revenues, i.e. climbmax. The day pass revenue is what pays the rent. Kids go to the day camp, then they beg their parents to take them back, then the parents have their kids birthday party their. In turn its all more $$$, not to say that the owner is in it for just the money. Me being a member, I don't generate additional revenues like that model does.

I dont pay 45 bucks a month ...

Man, I'm glad the dude I learned climbing from wasn't like you...He probably would have pushed me off the top of the Bastille! Chill out man...those little tykes are going to keep carrying this sport for generations to come. And on top of that, they were probably given an opportunity to take hold of something not many people get to try anyway. Climbing (or bouldering for your sake) isn't just YOUR sport...it's all of ours. Call me a "love-everyone-tree-hugging-hippie" I don't care...but you might want to nicely step down from that little "ego-trip" pedestal you're sitting on, or someone's going to kick it right up your a$$.

Let's say that group paid about $10 a head. 30+ kids = say $350? For what, 2 hours of climbing?

So, who is the better customer? The school group that spends about $350 for 2 hours a year, or the member that pays $45 for unlimited monthly visits and whines about the gym on internet forums... hmmm... Something for all of us self-important gym-rats to consider...

Touche...

This is a great place to post messages about indoor rock climbing but I am not so sure this is a good place to whine and rant repeatedly about your experiences at this gym...

Why not try to get over it and move on. Head over to the other gym in your area. Head outside. Whatever...

Move on please...

This is one thread my friend, if you don't like it, please don't read it. The subject line should have made the topic very clear.

However, I understand that membership fees only go so far. I am not going to publicly slander a small business in an open forum for trying to pay the bills (even if I don't approve of their business practices). I know where you are coming from, but it is lame that your need to vent has damaged the reputation of the facility that got named in this thread...

The owner of the gym is very attentive to members' needs & comfort. And the woman who manages the place is top notch. She keeps order at all times and isn't shy about telling people what the rules are and making sure they abide by them.

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Actually, faduex never mentioned which gym it was until someone specifically asked. Not his fault.

.. Make sure your gym has a easy section that will tend to keep most of the kids away from the harder climbs...

here's a novel idea... quit wasting your money at the gym and go climb outside. it's still pleasant in the morning.

Go boulder for 3 months. Then you will have 135$ (3*45) which will buy you a rope at rei. Then buy a tibloc, fix a line and go climb....No belayer needed

are you serious?
a couple of things:

A) oh no--they took away your crashpad!!! scary!!! STFU. Real men who were bouldering long before the advent of gyms never used crashpads--the dirt was a good enough landing zone for them (or is your gym's rubber, carpet, pea gravel, etc... flooring to rough for you?)

B) Gyms make money off kids groups--each of those kids has paid something to be allowed in the gym--as have you. don't think because youre a regular, you should get special treatment...after having worked in many fields, i can say that it's usually the regulars who cause the most problems (coming in two minutes before closing, asking for discounts, etc...)

C) They're kids. you were a kid once. get over it. yeah, it'd be nice to have separate areas for kids and members, but not all gyms can do that--plus, you're bouldering--close to the ground where kids can see--they want to climb and have to wait in line to put on a rope, so they'll boulder...they're trying to emulate you, not exascerbate.

D) kids are better than the bouldering groupies that hang out around the walls and yell "go for it" when one just wants to climb in peace...most kids will just watch wide-eyed, while the junkie has to confirm his prescene with supportive, moronic exclamations.

E) go outside. if there are people there, get up earlier or go farther away...if that doesn't work, go alpine climbing...if you''ve still sand in your craw, take up some lame-ass sport that no one is into and develop it--like hockey-cycling or flatwater high bellyflopping...

If the gym is running a babysitting service the owner should set times for the service so others can avoid it. If the $$ is so important, time to spend your $$ somewhere else.

Fadeux I know exactly your problem. the stupid little kids run around, and underneath when you bouldering and sit there, or even worse youve been woorking a hard traverse for a while and theres a little kind climbing in your way. I found a solution to this problem, I found carver boulder field was less than a half hour drive away I now have no longer had this problem, But for you I suggest going to the the manager and telling the problem threating to leave and not suggest that climbing gym to your friends Or suggest to the manager they have 1 day a week where little kids can climb, but only with their parents. And the rest of the week no one under 13 can climb .

Well, I can't afford the rope yet, and then what could i complain about?

I'm a little surprised by the opposition the original poster is facing. Yes it was a rant, but I imagine most of us have ranted at least once in our lives. Regardless of tone, the point isn't children climbing responsibly and sharing the gym. The point is unsupervised madness that puts others at risk.

Yes, the owners need to draw in revenue and parties, tours and kids are a great way to do it. Most people who pay memberships, however, do so thinking that there is an unspoken agreement between them and the gym. I will assure you a consistant flow of cash per the terms of our contract against which you can plan bills, expansion, upgrades and salaries. With that in mind, I expect a reasonably safe and enjoyable return on my investment. This kind of dependable income is critical to the gym. It allows for them to actually plan expenses. Trickle-in funds from tours and parties are nothing to sneeze at, but it is not contractually provided, is not assured, offers no promise of repetition from the same source (unlike the contracted individual), etc.

So when I go to the gym I expect a few things. First and foremost is to have a good time enjoying the service being offered. Climbing. If I'm spending my entire time worrying about my safety, having kids climb over/under me, dodging flying ATCs and wondering where my pad went, I'm obviously not getting my money's worth.

The solutions have already been outlined. 1) specific areas for children and parties 2) logically designed routes that trend children away from more advanced routes 3) adult supervision. I didn't read all the posts so if the following has been said, forgive me, but let me add in...

4) Management supervision - If the parents/guardians are NOT doing a good job of keeping their children under control, management SHOULD make every effort to rectify the problem. To this end, party attenders should be required to sign an agreement that they will hold their children to a set list of controlled conduct and accept that they will be asked to leave the gym if those rules are not followed with no refund.

5) Party schedule posted - There should be a party schedule posted at the gym and online if available so that members can plan accordingly.

6) One or two members only days a week -

I agree that kids need to be kids. But NOT at the expense of others around them. Yes, I was a kid once, but I was expected to behave and did so - we actually used to get spanked in the old days, kiddies. It's a shared world and some brat's need to be annoying and dangerous because mom or dad doesn't have the balls to put them in their place should NOT become a gym member's problem. I, for one, have no intentions of paying my hard earned money for the displeasure and would leave your gym. Correction, I would first talk to the manager to see if anything is planned in the very near future to resolve this problem. Failing that, I would take my business elsewhere. There are solutions that are positive for all parties. If the owner of your gym chooses not to employ them, find a gym that does.

A small business owner has an obligation to offer the best possible product to his customers... kids and adults. If only the kids are being catered to, you don't need to be there any more than you need to be spending your paycheck at Toys R' Us on a regular basis.

im sick of little kids! Sick and tired of them! Now, i dont have many belay buddies, im very particular in whom I trust. So I do a lot of bouldering. As I pull into the gym parking lot today, i get cut off by a bus. Not a mini Van or even a full size conversion van, a BIG-@SS Yellow Cheesebox! Then, I watch, as 30+ kids go storming into the already child filled gym.

im sick of little kids! Sick and tired of them! Now, i dont have many belay buddies, im very particular in whom I trust. So I do a lot of bouldering. As I pull into the gym parking lot today, i get cut off by a bus. Not a mini Van or even a full size conversion van, a BIG-@SS Yellow Cheesebox! Then, I watch, as 30+ kids go storming into the already child filled gym.

Do any of you know of a good gym in SLC that isn't infested with kids? I'm "a kid" still, but I know what you mean when 8 year olds steal your pad on a climb where the only possible landing is flat on your back. I've heard good things of both the Front and Rockreation, and have climbed at each a couple of times but not enough to know what is is like daily.

I am an owner of an indoor climbing gym (one mentioned in this thread :wink: ), and I understand that this is a problem.
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. . . . . I can honestly say the issue is the parents. No matter how we explain to the parents that their kids can get seriously hurt (or hurt someone else), some of them just don't get it. It is then up to us to protect everyone and make climbing an enjoyable experience for the adults.

. . . . . I am watching these suggestions closely!

go outside