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bumblie
May 5, 2003, 1:38 PM
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Here's another test that might interest you. It's quick and easy.
http://www.sailinganarchy.com/general/2002/cool_test.htm
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bumblie
May 5, 2003, 4:38 PM
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The point I was trying to make was that it requires significantly more to be a devout Muslim, Christian or Buddhist than to be meber of the Church of Martha.
This is not a troll.
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atg200
May 5, 2003, 8:15 PM
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Economic Left/Right: -1.25
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.49
About what I figured, though I thought I would be a bit more centered economically. Authoritarians scare me.
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lilred
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...Ok, i am lurking with some pretty dern intelligent peeps here, so i thought i would ask a little question for anyone wanting to answer.
i'm a bit new to all this political stuff.
can someone explain (in laimen's terms) this political compas in a nutshell? i think i have the basic idea, but would like clarification.
First off, i know that i'm a hippy tree hugging granola eater. i could tell because my dot on the graph was very close to Ghandi and the Dalai Lama's...
But what is all this Left Wing, Right Wing who ha?
Seeking wisdom from all who care to respond,
-M (who dosen't know the 1st thing about politics):oops:
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elvislegs
May 5, 2003, 9:25 PM
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Martha, I am not sure what was meant but what I got was that you sort of "creating" your own religion allows you to change rules as you see fit. Whereas someone who believes in an established major religion may not change something they don't like because they are not allowed to. This would imply that it takes more devotion to follow one of those religions.
However, due to the fact that these religions writings and teachings are interpreted in a different way by almost every human practicing them, I don't really think that it does take more devotion.
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dixieclimber
May 5, 2003, 9:58 PM
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In reply to: ...Ok, i am lurking with some pretty dern intelligent peeps here, so i thought i would ask a little question for anyone wanting to answer. i'm a bit new to all this political stuff. can someone explain (in laimen's terms) this political compas in a nutshell? i think i have the basic idea, but would like clarification. First off, i know that i'm a hippy tree hugging granola eater. i could tell because my dot on the graph was very close to Ghandi and the Dalai Lama's... But what is all this Left Wing, Right Wing who ha? Seeking wisdom from all who care to respond, -M (who dosen't know the 1st thing about politics):oops:
i generally believe in the libertatian principle but i dissagree with them on their traditionaly pro abortion stance and on their economy.
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elvislegs
May 5, 2003, 10:24 PM
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Dixie climber spewed: In reply to: you are right that you dont know a thing about polotics if you are down by dali lama
That's polo-TRICKS. No need to patronize, she was asking a legitimate question.
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elvislegs
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SKi wrote:In reply to: I understand the point you and Bumblie are making about doctrine, but I also feel there is great strength and power in understanding a number of religions, or "tasting from the menu."
I'm not making that point. I don't see it as a valid point. I just felt I understood what bumblie said, and thought I would clarify. I personally feel the way you do. I don't think there is only ONE religion that is overarching to all people. I see good in many faiths and un-faiths. I agree with you very much Martha.
OK Gotta go, I am meeting my brother for climbing. :wink:
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extrememountaineer
May 6, 2003, 12:08 AM
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lilred, don't be led astray by the liberals...find yourself a good conservative mentor and learn from him/her.
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curt
May 6, 2003, 12:25 AM
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Meghan,
In a nutshell, left wing is liberal (i.e. Democrat in the US) with the extreme left wing represented by socialist and communist adherents. Right wing is conservative (i.e. Republican in the US) with the extremists represented by the religious right or--in some cases totalitarians.
In my opinion, left and right are blurred somewhat in the US these days as the mainstream Democratic and Republican positions have moved closer together.
Curt
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dixieclimber
May 6, 2003, 1:07 AM
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Points well clarified, but then what is the point of religion if it's not wholly personal? Can one not take the basic tenets (and as you pointed out, all religions are open to interpretation) and imbue oneself with what holds meaning, then discard the rest? Is there any one religion that is perfect and requires no challenge?
in Christinaity it is completely personal its about having a personal relationship with Christ. the rules are put out to protect us from hurting our selves they are Gods way of showing his love by telling us how to live best. the greatest misconception about my religion is that its about rule keeping to get to heaven.
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extrememountaineer
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A lot of you are saying that all monotheistic religions are basically the same. Not true. there is one that stands apart from all others... Christianity. It is the only one that does not require the people to do anything to get into heaven. It is a free gift from God. All the person has to do is ask. All other monotheistic religions require some form of "works" to have eternal life in heaven.
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lilred
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That is exactly what i'm atempting to accomplish ~wink~
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calamity_chk
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hmm, i'd recommend chatting with skibby, curt, and atg.
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citybehindthesevenmountns
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In reply to: A lot of you are saying that all monotheistic religions are basically the same. Not true. there is one that stands apart from all others... Christianity. It is the only one that does not require the people to do anything to get into heaven. It is a free gift from God. All the person has to do is ask. All other monotheistic religions require some form of "works" to have eternal life in heaven.
i would like for u to give me some example about ur point of view.
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curt
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In reply to: In reply to: In my opinion, left and right are blurred somewhat in the US these days as the mainstream Democratic and Republican positions have moved closer together. Wow, Curt, interesting perspective. I've thought for some time that our government was becoming more bi-partisan. But then, VT Senator Patrick Leahy moved from Republican to Democrat, so that would make sense. But there still seems to be so much devisiveness in Congress, a real "us v. them" mentality. Am I simply reading it wrong?
Well of course there is still a good deal of positioning going on between the parties, in order to gain political advantage. What I was referring to was that the mainstream philosophies of the Democratic and Republican parties both seem to be moving to the center of the political spectrum. This does not mean that there are not fringe elements of both parties who are diametrically opposed in philosophy--only that the basic platforms of the parties are becoming increasingly similar.
Curt
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bumblie
May 6, 2003, 1:06 PM
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In reply to: I understand the point you and Bumblie are making about doctrine, but I also feel there is great strength and power in understanding a number of religions, or "tasting from the menu."
This sounds like a religion of convenience. When one aspect of your faith is challenged, you can just opt it out. I don't think Gandhi or The Dalai Lama every "opted out" difficult aspects of their faiths.
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mwbtle
May 6, 2003, 1:50 PM
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In reply to: A lot of you are saying that all monotheistic religions are basically the same. Not true. there is one that stands apart from all others... Christianity. It is the only one that does not require the people to do anything to get into heaven. It is a free gift from God. All the person has to do is ask. All other monotheistic religions require some form of "works" to have eternal life in heaven.
I beg to differ a little.
For some denominations of christianity this is true.
For Catholicism...not so true. You have to go to church every sunday, and go to reconciliation once a month, and this and that and the other thing. And do good works and give to the poor and etc etc. It becomes a "earning" your way into heaven.
Even though they say thats not what they teach, it is, I went to catholic school my whole life, and if you didn't want to go to confession, a nun would take you aside and explain to you why you HAD to.
But thats all just quibbling...carry on.
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dixieclimber
May 6, 2003, 2:27 PM
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In reply to: A lot of you are saying that all monotheistic religions are basically the same. Not true. there is one that stands apart from all others... Christianity. It is the only one that does not require the people to do anything to get into heaven. It is a free gift from God. All the person has to do is ask. All other monotheistic religions require some form of "works" to have eternal life in heaven. |
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the thing that sucks about christianity is that you can be a great person, but if you don't believe in this all powerful invisible man you are damned - isn't this awfully arbitrary and unfair to those who are located in a geographically inconvenient location to hear about christianity? personally, i think a religion that expects good deeds from a person rather than only requiring a person to constantly reaffirm his belief is more valid. is the christian god insecure, and also so dismissive of our abilities that nothing good is expected of us? lame.
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mwbtle
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I was taught in school that with faith no explanation is needed and without it no explanation is possible, also that as long as you love God, you can do what you want because you'll only do things that please God, since you love him. We were also told that good people who aren't christian/Catholic might not make it to heaven but certainly wouldn't go to hell.
I don't know what I believe in, but I certainly think that being a good person goes much farther than believing in God and being a bad person. So, for instance, ghandi vs. the catholic priests involved in that little scandal.
At any rate, arguing about it doesn't really change anyone's view if they believe strongly enough. We'll all find out who was right eventually.
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mwbtle
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In reply to: Of course, there are those who follow any faith blindly and in some instances believe through the doctrine of forgiveness that no matter how naughty we are as long as we go to confession our sins will be forgiven and we'll all make it to Heaven. Personally, I'd rather be held responsible for my actions.
Confession always bugged me because of that. I don't know how many Catholics are out there, or lapsed Catholics...but thats the one tennant I had the most trouble with. Seems to me they preach both ways. That if you ask forgiveness you will always be forgiven, but also if you do bad things or even just skip church on sundays you will go to hell. I think its more about forgiving yourself...and I think thats why confession started, the idea being that if you were truly sorry you'd go to confession, and then you'd be able to forgive yourself. But its become something else entirely. So now you have to go and confess things like being mean to people or having dirty thoughts, even if you don't feel you want/need forgiveness. I've never felt I've had anything to confess. If there is a god, and he's the God of the bible, he knows I did it, and if I'm sorry he knows that too.
Sorry, I'm being offtopic.
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dixieclimber
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[quote="atg200"]the thing that sucks about christianity is that you can be a great person, but if you don't believe in this all powerful invisible man you are damned - isn't this awfully arbitrary and unfair to those who are located in a geographically inconvenient location to hear about christianity? personally, i think a religion that expects good deeds from a person rather than only requiring a person to constantly reaffirm his belief is more valid. is the christian god insecure, and also so dismissive of our abilities that nothing good is expected of us? lame.[/quote
Who said anything about fair? For all have sined and fall short of the glory of God. We have never deserved heaven some of us are fortunate enough to receive the gift of redemtion.
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