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dingus wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: Toast_in_the_Machine wrote: Just wait for the Yellowstone Caldera to blow. Massive global cooling and it covers Mt. Rushmore in ash. Oh god yeah - seriously, this one kinda scares me because the threat is real and there is no known timetable for the explosion. It may never happen, or it may happen tomorrow. YIKES! I fear Michael Jackson's rogue comet worse than a Yellowstone eruption, myself. But then again, I live UPWIND from Wyoming. DMT I don't think upwind will matter to you. Source - Maybe not a great one, but interesting still. Actually - This NPS map is basically the same, and I would think the NPS is a good source. [shivers]
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Here in Cali we have the Clear Lake and the Long Valley calderas as well. In geologic terms the liklihood of any of them exploding in our lifetimes is very remote. I think you are more likely to get kidnapped by the boogeyman. Cheers DMT
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Gmburns2000
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dingus wrote: Here in Cali we have the Clear Lake and the Long Valley calderas as well. In geologic terms the liklihood of any of them exploding in our lifetimes is very remote. I think you are more likely to get kidnapped by the boogeyman. Cheers DMT Well, we're kind of in the range. Sure, according to the Park Service, we're about 90,000 years away from the next explosion if one looks at the average span between explosions. But there were two explosions about 600,000 years apart, so it isn't unrealistic that it could happen in our lifetimes.
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Guam. You'll be safe in Guam. Enjoy! DMT
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Gmburns2000
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dingus wrote: Guam. You'll be safe in Guam. Enjoy! DMT 'eff that. My stepfather was stationed there. I decided to stay with my family in Maine rather than travel to Guam. My Mom says I made the right choice. Besides, I'm heading south next winter, so I might be the first person to see what Tierra del Fuego looks like when it turns tropical after the explosion. 5.8 first ascents...YES!!!!
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The only thing holding Tierra del Fuego to the tip of S America is the ice! Melt that and the whole place is bound for Africa, one chunk at a time! DMT
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Gmburns2000
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dingus wrote: The only thing holding Tierra del Fuego to the tip of S America is the ice! Melt that and the whole place is bound for Africa, one chunk at a time! DMT Well, all that means is that I'll already be on one of the floating islands when it starts to drift. I bet I knock off at least three routes before someone swims fast enough to catch up! Of course, here's hoping I'm not alone on the island with a hungry puma. Still, I wonder what that immigration conversation would go like: - Chilean passport official pre-explosion: Please pay your $131 entrance fee. Thank you. Welcome to Chile. Enjoy your stay. - South African passport official post-explosion: Uh-huh. So you say you came to South Africa via Chile. Uh-huh. And you never took a plane from Chile to South Africa. Uh-huh. OK. I get it, I think. But you also say you never took a boat either. Uh-huh. Suuurrre. Uh-huh. You were on a "floating island." Oh really? It used to be a part of Tierra del Fuego? Oh wow. What an adventure. (he reaches slowly for the stun gun). And this island, it floated all the way from the tip of South America to here. Uh-huh. OK. Sure. And that was 25 million years ago? Wow. Gee, you'd think I would have read about that in school. Hmmm...but I do believe you sir. Seriously, I do, but this passport of yours, one of the, what does it say?, United States of America? Yeah, so, didn't that prehistoric country get covered in a volcanic explosion millions of years ago? Uh-huh. And you fled just before it happened because you knew it was going to happen. OoooKaayyyy...And the explosion melted the ice in Southern Chile. Oh! I get it, hahahaha, that's how the island broke a part. YESSSSS! Of course, sir. It all makes sense now. Very interesting indeed. I'd LOVE to hear more about this. Do you mind stepping inside this room? We can talk some more. No, don't worry, the bars in the window are only there because we ran out of glass. That's right, and the two big boys with the electical equipment are only here to give you a message. You must be so tired after such a long journey. Please sit down. Good, good, good - OK boys, let him have it - ZAPPPPPP!!!
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I talked to a friend that works at Rushmore a few days back and asked about restricting climbing there because of this incident. I won't repeat what he told me till its made public. Their all a little gripped until they find out if Gerald Baker (superintendent) is getting the axe. KOTA TV's article.
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This is from the NSP morning report: Mount Rushmore National Memorial (SD) Greenpeace And Eleven Participants Indicted In Demonstration A federal grand jury has returned a four-count indictment charging eleven people and Greenpeace, Inc., a California corporation, with three or more misdemeanor offenses each relating to a July 8th incident in which a protest banner was unfurled on the mountain (click on the link below for the original report). The charges against Greenpeace and the eleven include one count of conspiracy to climb Mount Rushmore as prohibited by law. The indictment contains further specific allegations concerning the conspiracy charge which include the following: Greenpeace provided planning and training for the individual co-conspirators. Greenpeace caused the individual co-conspirators and their climbing, video, and photographic equipment to be transported to Rapid City, South Dakota, in preparation for climbing Mount Rushmore. Greenpeace hired a helicopter to carry its members, agents and employees in order to allow them to observe, photograph and record the actions of individuals who were climbing Mount Rushmore on July 8th As part of the conspiracy, certain individuals attempted to impede responding law enforcement officers by placing locks on security gates as well as by chaining themselves to areas where it would be difficult or impossible for responding officers to get around the individuals without risk of personal injury. Greenpeace, Inc., is also charged with the following offenses: Aiding and abetting eleven individuals trespassing in a national park by entering an area not open to the public without permission. Aiding and abetting nine individuals with climbing Mount Rushmore as prohibited by law. Aiding and abetting six individuals with intentionally interfering with a government employee or officer engaged in an official duty. Charges against the eleven participants included conspiracy, trespass, illegally climbing the mountain and abetting others in these offenses. The maximum penalty for each of the four counts against Greenpeace is a $10,000 fine and restitution. The maximum penalty for each count naming an individual is six months’ imprisonment, a $5,000 fine and restitution. The investigation is being conducted by the Mount Rushmore rangers and by special agents of the FBI. The case is being prosecuted by Assistant US Attorney Mark Vargo. [Submitted by U.S. Attorney’s Office] More Information...
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hacksaw wrote: This is from the NSP morning report: Mount Rushmore National Memorial (SD) Greenpeace And Eleven Participants Indicted In Demonstration A federal grand jury has returned a four-count indictment charging eleven people and Greenpeace, Inc., a California corporation, with three or more misdemeanor offenses each relating to a July 8th incident in which a protest banner was unfurled on the mountain (click on the link below for the original report). The charges against Greenpeace and the eleven include one count of conspiracy to climb Mount Rushmore as prohibited by law. The indictment contains further specific allegations concerning the conspiracy charge which include the following: Greenpeace provided planning and training for the individual co-conspirators. Greenpeace caused the individual co-conspirators and their climbing, video, and photographic equipment to be transported to Rapid City, South Dakota, in preparation for climbing Mount Rushmore. Greenpeace hired a helicopter to carry its members, agents and employees in order to allow them to observe, photograph and record the actions of individuals who were climbing Mount Rushmore on July 8th As part of the conspiracy, certain individuals attempted to impede responding law enforcement officers by placing locks on security gates as well as by chaining themselves to areas where it would be difficult or impossible for responding officers to get around the individuals without risk of personal injury. Greenpeace, Inc., is also charged with the following offenses: Aiding and abetting eleven individuals trespassing in a national park by entering an area not open to the public without permission. Aiding and abetting nine individuals with climbing Mount Rushmore as prohibited by law. Aiding and abetting six individuals with intentionally interfering with a government employee or officer engaged in an official duty. Charges against the eleven participants included conspiracy, trespass, illegally climbing the mountain and abetting others in these offenses. The maximum penalty for each of the four counts against Greenpeace is a $10,000 fine and restitution. The maximum penalty for each count naming an individual is six months’ imprisonment, a $5,000 fine and restitution. The investigation is being conducted by the Mount Rushmore rangers and by special agents of the FBI. The case is being prosecuted by Assistant US Attorney Mark Vargo. [Submitted by U.S. Attorney’s Office] More Information... Mt. Rushmore Weather Update: July '09 Average Hi Temp: 72.85 July Historical Average Hi Temp: 79 Thank GOD for Greenpeace taking the time to point out just how bad "Global Warming" is...
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therat wrote: hacksaw wrote: This is from the NSP morning report: Mount Rushmore National Memorial (SD) Greenpeace And Eleven Participants Indicted In Demonstration A federal grand jury has returned a four-count indictment charging eleven people and Greenpeace, Inc., a California corporation, with three or more misdemeanor offenses each relating to a July 8th incident in which a protest banner was unfurled on the mountain (click on the link below for the original report). The charges against Greenpeace and the eleven include one count of conspiracy to climb Mount Rushmore as prohibited by law. The indictment contains further specific allegations concerning the conspiracy charge which include the following: Greenpeace provided planning and training for the individual co-conspirators. Greenpeace caused the individual co-conspirators and their climbing, video, and photographic equipment to be transported to Rapid City, South Dakota, in preparation for climbing Mount Rushmore. Greenpeace hired a helicopter to carry its members, agents and employees in order to allow them to observe, photograph and record the actions of individuals who were climbing Mount Rushmore on July 8th As part of the conspiracy, certain individuals attempted to impede responding law enforcement officers by placing locks on security gates as well as by chaining themselves to areas where it would be difficult or impossible for responding officers to get around the individuals without risk of personal injury. Greenpeace, Inc., is also charged with the following offenses: Aiding and abetting eleven individuals trespassing in a national park by entering an area not open to the public without permission. Aiding and abetting nine individuals with climbing Mount Rushmore as prohibited by law. Aiding and abetting six individuals with intentionally interfering with a government employee or officer engaged in an official duty. Charges against the eleven participants included conspiracy, trespass, illegally climbing the mountain and abetting others in these offenses. The maximum penalty for each of the four counts against Greenpeace is a $10,000 fine and restitution. The maximum penalty for each count naming an individual is six months’ imprisonment, a $5,000 fine and restitution. The investigation is being conducted by the Mount Rushmore rangers and by special agents of the FBI. The case is being prosecuted by Assistant US Attorney Mark Vargo. [Submitted by U.S. Attorney’s Office] More Information... Mt. Rushmore Weather Update: July '09 Average Hi Temp: 72.85 July Historical Average Hi Temp: 79 Thank GOD for Greenpeace taking the time to point out just how bad "Global Warming" is... Thank GOD you don't realize how much of an idiot this post makes you, because without it the world would be a less funny place.
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therat wrote: hacksaw wrote: This is from the NSP morning report: Mount Rushmore National Memorial (SD) Greenpeace And Eleven Participants Indicted In Demonstration A federal grand jury has returned a four-count indictment charging eleven people and Greenpeace, Inc., a California corporation, with three or more misdemeanor offenses each relating to a July 8th incident in which a protest banner was unfurled on the mountain (click on the link below for the original report). The charges against Greenpeace and the eleven include one count of conspiracy to climb Mount Rushmore as prohibited by law. The indictment contains further specific allegations concerning the conspiracy charge which include the following: Greenpeace provided planning and training for the individual co-conspirators. Greenpeace caused the individual co-conspirators and their climbing, video, and photographic equipment to be transported to Rapid City, South Dakota, in preparation for climbing Mount Rushmore. Greenpeace hired a helicopter to carry its members, agents and employees in order to allow them to observe, photograph and record the actions of individuals who were climbing Mount Rushmore on July 8th As part of the conspiracy, certain individuals attempted to impede responding law enforcement officers by placing locks on security gates as well as by chaining themselves to areas where it would be difficult or impossible for responding officers to get around the individuals without risk of personal injury. Greenpeace, Inc., is also charged with the following offenses: Aiding and abetting eleven individuals trespassing in a national park by entering an area not open to the public without permission. Aiding and abetting nine individuals with climbing Mount Rushmore as prohibited by law. Aiding and abetting six individuals with intentionally interfering with a government employee or officer engaged in an official duty. Charges against the eleven participants included conspiracy, trespass, illegally climbing the mountain and abetting others in these offenses. The maximum penalty for each of the four counts against Greenpeace is a $10,000 fine and restitution. The maximum penalty for each count naming an individual is six months’ imprisonment, a $5,000 fine and restitution. The investigation is being conducted by the Mount Rushmore rangers and by special agents of the FBI. The case is being prosecuted by Assistant US Attorney Mark Vargo. [Submitted by U.S. Attorney’s Office] More Information... Mt. Rushmore Weather Update: July '09 Average Hi Temp: 72.85 July Historical Average Hi Temp: 79 Thank GOD for Greenpeace taking the time to point out just how bad "Global Warming" is... Yet more evidence of a growing Gore Effect that is altering our climates. How long must we remain in denial while this Effect destroys our planet! Protesters shiver as government opens two hours late from snow delay.
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agdavis wrote: therat wrote: hacksaw wrote: This is from the NSP morning report: Mount Rushmore National Memorial (SD) Greenpeace And Eleven Participants Indicted In Demonstration A federal grand jury has returned a four-count indictment charging eleven people and Greenpeace, Inc., a California corporation, with three or more misdemeanor offenses each relating to a July 8th incident in which a protest banner was unfurled on the mountain (click on the link below for the original report). The charges against Greenpeace and the eleven include one count of conspiracy to climb Mount Rushmore as prohibited by law. The indictment contains further specific allegations concerning the conspiracy charge which include the following: Greenpeace provided planning and training for the individual co-conspirators. Greenpeace caused the individual co-conspirators and their climbing, video, and photographic equipment to be transported to Rapid City, South Dakota, in preparation for climbing Mount Rushmore. Greenpeace hired a helicopter to carry its members, agents and employees in order to allow them to observe, photograph and record the actions of individuals who were climbing Mount Rushmore on July 8th As part of the conspiracy, certain individuals attempted to impede responding law enforcement officers by placing locks on security gates as well as by chaining themselves to areas where it would be difficult or impossible for responding officers to get around the individuals without risk of personal injury. Greenpeace, Inc., is also charged with the following offenses: Aiding and abetting eleven individuals trespassing in a national park by entering an area not open to the public without permission. Aiding and abetting nine individuals with climbing Mount Rushmore as prohibited by law. Aiding and abetting six individuals with intentionally interfering with a government employee or officer engaged in an official duty. Charges against the eleven participants included conspiracy, trespass, illegally climbing the mountain and abetting others in these offenses. The maximum penalty for each of the four counts against Greenpeace is a $10,000 fine and restitution. The maximum penalty for each count naming an individual is six months’ imprisonment, a $5,000 fine and restitution. The investigation is being conducted by the Mount Rushmore rangers and by special agents of the FBI. The case is being prosecuted by Assistant US Attorney Mark Vargo. [Submitted by U.S. Attorney’s Office] More Information... Mt. Rushmore Weather Update: July '09 Average Hi Temp: 72.85 July Historical Average Hi Temp: 79 Thank GOD for Greenpeace taking the time to point out just how bad "Global Warming" is... Thank GOD you don't realize how much of an idiot this post makes you, because without it the world would be a less funny place. Praise SATAN our climate has been cooling for the past ten years.
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You made me laugh at work. Everybody's looking at me now. Props to you sir.
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andersjr wrote: agdavis wrote: therat wrote: hacksaw wrote: This is from the NSP morning report: Mount Rushmore National Memorial (SD) Greenpeace And Eleven Participants Indicted In Demonstration A federal grand jury has returned a four-count indictment charging eleven people and Greenpeace, Inc., a California corporation, with three or more misdemeanor offenses each relating to a July 8th incident in which a protest banner was unfurled on the mountain (click on the link below for the original report). The charges against Greenpeace and the eleven include one count of conspiracy to climb Mount Rushmore as prohibited by law. The indictment contains further specific allegations concerning the conspiracy charge which include the following: Greenpeace provided planning and training for the individual co-conspirators. Greenpeace caused the individual co-conspirators and their climbing, video, and photographic equipment to be transported to Rapid City, South Dakota, in preparation for climbing Mount Rushmore. Greenpeace hired a helicopter to carry its members, agents and employees in order to allow them to observe, photograph and record the actions of individuals who were climbing Mount Rushmore on July 8th As part of the conspiracy, certain individuals attempted to impede responding law enforcement officers by placing locks on security gates as well as by chaining themselves to areas where it would be difficult or impossible for responding officers to get around the individuals without risk of personal injury. Greenpeace, Inc., is also charged with the following offenses: Aiding and abetting eleven individuals trespassing in a national park by entering an area not open to the public without permission. Aiding and abetting nine individuals with climbing Mount Rushmore as prohibited by law. Aiding and abetting six individuals with intentionally interfering with a government employee or officer engaged in an official duty. Charges against the eleven participants included conspiracy, trespass, illegally climbing the mountain and abetting others in these offenses. The maximum penalty for each of the four counts against Greenpeace is a $10,000 fine and restitution. The maximum penalty for each count naming an individual is six months’ imprisonment, a $5,000 fine and restitution. The investigation is being conducted by the Mount Rushmore rangers and by special agents of the FBI. The case is being prosecuted by Assistant US Attorney Mark Vargo. [Submitted by U.S. Attorney’s Office] More Information... Mt. Rushmore Weather Update: July '09 Average Hi Temp: 72.85 July Historical Average Hi Temp: 79 Thank GOD for Greenpeace taking the time to point out just how bad "Global Warming" is... Thank GOD you don't realize how much of an idiot this post makes you, because without it the world would be a less funny place. Praise SATAN our climate has been cooling for the past ten years. It's almost comical to engage you in this, but here I go. You need to look at a range larger than ten years. Ten years is a very short span of time in a system as massive as our Earth and it's atmosphere. If you went to college and took an intro to biology class, you would understand this and probably would have seen this graph. Here is a graph showing fossil fuel consumption compared to change in average global temperature from 1860-2000: Many people will argue that the Earth's temperatures are cyclic by nature and that we are not experience global warming, but that argument breaks down very quickly. When you note that since the Industrial Revolution occurred, temperatures have increased at an exponential rate, following the exponential increase of carbon in the air. Because of that fact, it's either one of two things: 1) It's a coincidence that there is almost a perfect correlation between atmospheric carbon concentration increase and increasing temperature between 1860 - 2000 or 2) There is another factor causing the temperature increase (humans). I think the answer is glaringly obvious.
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agdavis wrote: andersjr wrote: agdavis wrote: therat wrote: hacksaw wrote: This is from the NSP morning report: Mount Rushmore National Memorial (SD) Greenpeace And Eleven Participants Indicted In Demonstration A federal grand jury has returned a four-count indictment charging eleven people and Greenpeace, Inc., a California corporation, with three or more misdemeanor offenses each relating to a July 8th incident in which a protest banner was unfurled on the mountain (click on the link below for the original report). The charges against Greenpeace and the eleven include one count of conspiracy to climb Mount Rushmore as prohibited by law. The indictment contains further specific allegations concerning the conspiracy charge which include the following: Greenpeace provided planning and training for the individual co-conspirators. Greenpeace caused the individual co-conspirators and their climbing, video, and photographic equipment to be transported to Rapid City, South Dakota, in preparation for climbing Mount Rushmore. Greenpeace hired a helicopter to carry its members, agents and employees in order to allow them to observe, photograph and record the actions of individuals who were climbing Mount Rushmore on July 8th As part of the conspiracy, certain individuals attempted to impede responding law enforcement officers by placing locks on security gates as well as by chaining themselves to areas where it would be difficult or impossible for responding officers to get around the individuals without risk of personal injury. Greenpeace, Inc., is also charged with the following offenses: Aiding and abetting eleven individuals trespassing in a national park by entering an area not open to the public without permission. Aiding and abetting nine individuals with climbing Mount Rushmore as prohibited by law. Aiding and abetting six individuals with intentionally interfering with a government employee or officer engaged in an official duty. Charges against the eleven participants included conspiracy, trespass, illegally climbing the mountain and abetting others in these offenses. The maximum penalty for each of the four counts against Greenpeace is a $10,000 fine and restitution. The maximum penalty for each count naming an individual is six months’ imprisonment, a $5,000 fine and restitution. The investigation is being conducted by the Mount Rushmore rangers and by special agents of the FBI. The case is being prosecuted by Assistant US Attorney Mark Vargo. [Submitted by U.S. Attorney’s Office] More Information... Mt. Rushmore Weather Update: July '09 Average Hi Temp: 72.85 July Historical Average Hi Temp: 79 Thank GOD for Greenpeace taking the time to point out just how bad "Global Warming" is... Thank GOD you don't realize how much of an idiot this post makes you, because without it the world would be a less funny place. Praise SATAN our climate has been cooling for the past ten years. It's almost comical to engage you in this, but here I go. You need to look at a range larger than ten years. Ten years is a very short span of time in a system as massive as our Earth and it's atmosphere. If you went to college and took an intro to biology class, you would understand this and probably would have seen this graph. Here is a graph showing fossil fuel consumption compared to change in average global temperature from 1860-2000: [image]http://icecap.us/images/uploads/FuelvsDT.jpg[/image] Many people will argue that the Earth's temperatures are cyclic by nature and that we are not experience global warming, but that argument breaks down very quickly. When you note that since the Industrial Revolution occurred, temperatures have increased at an exponential rate, following the exponential increase of carbon in the air. Because of that fact, it's either one of two things: 1) It's a coincidence that there is almost a perfect correlation between atmospheric carbon concentration increase and increasing temperature between 1860 - 2000 or 2) There is another factor causing the temperature increase (humans). I think the answer is glaringly obvious. You know what, your graph of the last 140 years completely changed me. I mean the earth is only like 200 years old right? Also your graph starts right after this little thing called an "ice age." Have you ever heard of one of these things. It is where the global temprature gets really low. I can draw a picture for you, but it involves a lot of ice. Check this graph out. It was one that "proved" global warming. Note, the black line is a projection(i.e. not real, and this projection didn't fit.)
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andersjr wrote: agdavis wrote: andersjr wrote: agdavis wrote: therat wrote: hacksaw wrote: This is from the NSP morning report: Mount Rushmore National Memorial (SD) Greenpeace And Eleven Participants Indicted In Demonstration A federal grand jury has returned a four-count indictment charging eleven people and Greenpeace, Inc., a California corporation, with three or more misdemeanor offenses each relating to a July 8th incident in which a protest banner was unfurled on the mountain (click on the link below for the original report). The charges against Greenpeace and the eleven include one count of conspiracy to climb Mount Rushmore as prohibited by law. The indictment contains further specific allegations concerning the conspiracy charge which include the following: Greenpeace provided planning and training for the individual co-conspirators. Greenpeace caused the individual co-conspirators and their climbing, video, and photographic equipment to be transported to Rapid City, South Dakota, in preparation for climbing Mount Rushmore. Greenpeace hired a helicopter to carry its members, agents and employees in order to allow them to observe, photograph and record the actions of individuals who were climbing Mount Rushmore on July 8th As part of the conspiracy, certain individuals attempted to impede responding law enforcement officers by placing locks on security gates as well as by chaining themselves to areas where it would be difficult or impossible for responding officers to get around the individuals without risk of personal injury. Greenpeace, Inc., is also charged with the following offenses: Aiding and abetting eleven individuals trespassing in a national park by entering an area not open to the public without permission. Aiding and abetting nine individuals with climbing Mount Rushmore as prohibited by law. Aiding and abetting six individuals with intentionally interfering with a government employee or officer engaged in an official duty. Charges against the eleven participants included conspiracy, trespass, illegally climbing the mountain and abetting others in these offenses. The maximum penalty for each of the four counts against Greenpeace is a $10,000 fine and restitution. The maximum penalty for each count naming an individual is six months’ imprisonment, a $5,000 fine and restitution. The investigation is being conducted by the Mount Rushmore rangers and by special agents of the FBI. The case is being prosecuted by Assistant US Attorney Mark Vargo. [Submitted by U.S. Attorney’s Office] More Information... Mt. Rushmore Weather Update: July '09 Average Hi Temp: 72.85 July Historical Average Hi Temp: 79 Thank GOD for Greenpeace taking the time to point out just how bad "Global Warming" is... Thank GOD you don't realize how much of an idiot this post makes you, because without it the world would be a less funny place. Praise SATAN our climate has been cooling for the past ten years. It's almost comical to engage you in this, but here I go. You need to look at a range larger than ten years. Ten years is a very short span of time in a system as massive as our Earth and it's atmosphere. If you went to college and took an intro to biology class, you would understand this and probably would have seen this graph. Here is a graph showing fossil fuel consumption compared to change in average global temperature from 1860-2000: [image]http://icecap.us/images/uploads/FuelvsDT.jpg[/image] Many people will argue that the Earth's temperatures are cyclic by nature and that we are not experience global warming, but that argument breaks down very quickly. When you note that since the Industrial Revolution occurred, temperatures have increased at an exponential rate, following the exponential increase of carbon in the air. Because of that fact, it's either one of two things: 1) It's a coincidence that there is almost a perfect correlation between atmospheric carbon concentration increase and increasing temperature between 1860 - 2000 or 2) There is another factor causing the temperature increase (humans). I think the answer is glaringly obvious. You know what, your graph of the last 140 years completely changed me. I mean the earth is only like 200 years old right? Also your graph starts right after this little thing called an "ice age." Have you ever heard of one of these things. It is where the global temprature gets really low. I can draw a picture for you, but it involves a lot of ice. Check this graph out. It was one that "proved" global warming. Note, the black line is a projection(i.e. not real, and this projection didn't fit.) [image]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png[/image] You obviously didn't understand my post because your reply has nothing to do with what I said. Re-read and try to understand and then, please, try again.
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What happend in 1870-1910 and and 1940-1970? How do we know that the amount of CO2 in the air isn't driven by the amount of H2O in the atmosphere? H2O drives CO2 out of the atmosphere. What if it is just cyclical?
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therat wrote: Mt. Rushmore Weather Update: July '09 Average Hi Temp: 72.85 July Historical Average Hi Temp: 79 Thank GOD for Greenpeace taking the time to point out just how bad "Global Warming" is... Hasn't even hit 60 degrees today, must mean ice age next year. Yep, this summer has been a cool one, and last year's was about normal. Prior to those, we had several years of abnormally hot and dry summers. Funny how most people can only remember back a year or two.
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moose_droppings wrote: therat wrote: Mt. Rushmore Weather Update: July '09 Average Hi Temp: 72.85 July Historical Average Hi Temp: 79 Thank GOD for Greenpeace taking the time to point out just how bad "Global Warming" is... Hasn't even hit 60 degrees today, must mean ice age next year. Yep, this summer has been a cool one, and last year's was about normal. Prior to those, we had several years of abnormally hot and dry summers. Funny how most people can only remember back a year or two. Not worried about another ice age. Dinosaur emmisions just aren't happening this time.
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agdavis
Jul 29, 2009, 6:55 PM
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andersjr wrote: What happend in 1870-1910 It's called the Second Industrial Revolution: http://en.wikipedia.org/...ndustrial_Revolution
In reply to: and and1940-1970? This is when the automobile became a staple in almost every home in America.
In reply to: How do we know that the amount of CO2 in the air isn't driven by the amount of H2O in the atmosphere? H2O drives CO2 out of the atmosphere. What if it is just cyclical? In order to get CO2, you need carbon. Carbon is liberated from stable, non-gaseous mediums by burning oil, coal and other things containing carbon. The amount of H2O that is possible on this planet is static -- it will not change unless we somehow fly some in from another planet (assuming it exists on another planet). So if you have a finite amount of H2O, but keep introducing gaseous CO2, the H2O in this world will reach saturation and be unable to drive any more CO2 out of the atmosphere. CO2 then builds up in our atmosphere along with other greenhouse gases, increasing the greenhouse effect.
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andersjr
Jul 29, 2009, 6:58 PM
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agdavis wrote: andersjr wrote: What happend in 1870-1910 It's called the Second Industrial Revolution: http://en.wikipedia.org/...ndustrial_Revolution In reply to: and and1940-1970? This is when the automobile became a staple in almost every home in America. In reply to: How do we know that the amount of CO2 in the air isn't driven by the amount of H2O in the atmosphere? H2O drives CO2 out of the atmosphere. What if it is just cyclical? In order to get CO2, you need carbon. Carbon is liberated from stable, non-gaseous mediums by burning oil, coal and other things containing carbon. The amount of H2O that is possible on this planet is static -- it will not change unless we somehow fly some in from another planet (assuming it exists on another planet). So if you have a finite amount of H2O, but keep introducing gaseous CO2, the H2O in this world will reach saturation and be unable to drive any more CO2 out of the atmosphere. CO2 then builds up in our atmosphere along with other greenhouse gases, increasing the greenhouse effect. Way to not answer any of my questions. A: 1870-1910 & 1940-1970--Temprature goes down, while fuel usage goes up B: H2O in the atmosphere, in gaseous form. You know, when it condensates, it becomes rain.
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agdavis
Jul 29, 2009, 7:08 PM
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andersjr wrote: agdavis wrote: andersjr wrote: What happend in 1870-1910 It's called the Second Industrial Revolution: http://en.wikipedia.org/...ndustrial_Revolution In reply to: and and1940-1970? This is when the automobile became a staple in almost every home in America. In reply to: How do we know that the amount of CO2 in the air isn't driven by the amount of H2O in the atmosphere? H2O drives CO2 out of the atmosphere. What if it is just cyclical? In order to get CO2, you need carbon. Carbon is liberated from stable, non-gaseous mediums by burning oil, coal and other things containing carbon. The amount of H2O that is possible on this planet is static -- it will not change unless we somehow fly some in from another planet (assuming it exists on another planet). So if you have a finite amount of H2O, but keep introducing gaseous CO2, the H2O in this world will reach saturation and be unable to drive any more CO2 out of the atmosphere. CO2 then builds up in our atmosphere along with other greenhouse gases, increasing the greenhouse effect. Way to not answer any of my questions. A: 1870-1910 & 1940-1970--Temprature goes down, while fuel usage goes up B: H2O in the atmosphere, in gaseous form. You know, when it condensates, it becomes rain. Well, you never asked a specific question, you just rambled out a couple of dates. A) With regards to the non-positive correlation during those periods, it is because the atmospheric carbon needs to be present in certain amounts before a measurable different in temperature is available. For example, form 1870-1910 you could have a decrease in average global temperature because of normal, non-human-induced, standard fluctuations of temperature. By 1910 an abundance of carbon is now in the atmosphere, and when the global temperature would be reaching normal, it continues to increase above normal due to additional heat being trapped inside our atmosphere. B) Understood.... I addressed that in my last post.
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andersjr
Jul 29, 2009, 7:14 PM
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agdavis wrote: andersjr wrote: agdavis wrote: andersjr wrote: What happend in 1870-1910 It's called the Second Industrial Revolution: http://en.wikipedia.org/...ndustrial_Revolution In reply to: and and1940-1970? This is when the automobile became a staple in almost every home in America. In reply to: How do we know that the amount of CO2 in the air isn't driven by the amount of H2O in the atmosphere? H2O drives CO2 out of the atmosphere. What if it is just cyclical? In order to get CO2, you need carbon. Carbon is liberated from stable, non-gaseous mediums by burning oil, coal and other things containing carbon. The amount of H2O that is possible on this planet is static -- it will not change unless we somehow fly some in from another planet (assuming it exists on another planet). So if you have a finite amount of H2O, but keep introducing gaseous CO2, the H2O in this world will reach saturation and be unable to drive any more CO2 out of the atmosphere. CO2 then builds up in our atmosphere along with other greenhouse gases, increasing the greenhouse effect. Way to not answer any of my questions. A: 1870-1910 & 1940-1970--Temprature goes down, while fuel usage goes up B: H2O in the atmosphere, in gaseous form. You know, when it condensates, it becomes rain. Well, you never asked a specific question, you just rambled out a couple of dates. A) With regards to the non-positive correlation during those periods, it is because the atmospheric carbon needs to be present in certain amounts before a measurable different in temperature is available. For example, form 1870-1910 you could have a decrease in average global temperature because of normal, non-human-induced, standard fluctuations of temperature. By 1910 an abundance of carbon is now in the atmosphere, and when the global temperature would be reaching normal, it continues to increase above normal due to additional heat being trapped inside our atmosphere. B) Understood.... I addressed that in my last post. Does that mean that we were way below normal, and now we are just slightly above normal? When the earth reaches this "saturation," a strange phenomenom happens. It is called rain. When it rains on highly concentrated amounts of CO2, it washes out the CO2. It is one of the drivers of how the earth rids excess carbon from the atmosphere.
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