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justroberto
Dec 13, 2007, 5:42 AM
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kiwibob
Dec 13, 2007, 7:25 AM
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I've read the entire thread, and yet am having a hard time believing this to be anything but an elaborate hoax.
You've been trolled by BD?
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j_ung
Dec 13, 2007, 12:35 PM
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If I only climbed in a gym, I would buy one, no questions asked.
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johnwesely
Dec 13, 2007, 1:41 PM
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I could see were gyms would want to by these because their is less room for idiots to screw up when threading it.
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justroberto
Dec 13, 2007, 1:48 PM
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Sorry, man, all I saw at first was a bunch of flesh, a little hair, and a big bulge in the thumbnail pic.
Immediate reaction: "Holy crap! Someone posted a picture of his balls!" Then I realized it was an ankle.
Edited to remove snarky, jump-to-conclusions remark at the end...
(This post was edited by justroberto on Dec 13, 2007, 2:36 PM)
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tuna
Dec 13, 2007, 2:40 PM
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J_ung you belong in a gym I have seen you climb outside and it would be much safer with easy access to water.
I can see the usage being more of a Euro thing. Two gyms I used in Switzerland have routes that are 80 feet long. Also there are thousands of routes thruout Europe that all you need to do is clip into the top anchors and get lowered off.
And so no idiot chymes in about not lowereing off the anchors these are designed just for such use
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jt512
Dec 13, 2007, 2:49 PM
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jestering wrote: climbingaggie03 wrote: ultra light, HA! my munter hitch is 100% lighter than the ATC sport. No, no, no. 100% is all wrong: 60g/0g = ERROR (can't divide by zero) 
Ugh.
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shoo
Dec 13, 2007, 3:15 PM
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jestering wrote: climbingaggie03 wrote: ultra light, HA! my munter hitch is 100% lighter than the ATC sport. No, no, no. 100% is all wrong: 60g/0g = ERROR (can't divide by zero) For real though; good point. Plus you can rap on it.
Also a fantastic way to put some nasty twists in your rope.
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jestering
Dec 13, 2007, 3:28 PM
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shoo wrote: jestering wrote: climbingaggie03 wrote: ultra light, HA! my munter hitch is 100% lighter than the ATC sport. No, no, no. 100% is all wrong: 60g/0g = ERROR (can't divide by zero) For real though; good point. Plus you can rap on it. Also a fantastic way to put some nasty twists in your rope.
Agreed.
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angry
Dec 13, 2007, 3:40 PM
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kiwibob wrote: I've read the entire thread, and yet am having a hard time believing this to be anything but an elaborate hoax. You've been trolled by BD?
Oh god I hope so. I would have so much more respect for that company if they did. Seriously, that's the kind of humor that I go for.
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markc
Dec 13, 2007, 4:00 PM
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tuna wrote: But by all means bash the hell out of it before you try it.
Do you really need first-hand experience to form a reasonable opinion? This has more limited functionality than any other BD belay device, with the dubious benefit of weight savings. It will cost the same as other devices, but wear twice as quickly. I don't need to try it to know I don't want to own it.
Ever try a shit sandwich, or do you just take it on faith that wouldn't make for good eating?
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markc
Dec 13, 2007, 4:02 PM
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j_ung wrote: If I only climbed in a gym, I would buy one, no questions asked.
Really, even if you realized you could get twice the life out of a similarly priced device?
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justroberto
Dec 13, 2007, 4:13 PM
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markc wrote: Ever try a shit sandwich, or do you just take it on faith that wouldn't make for good eating?
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j_ung
Dec 13, 2007, 4:29 PM
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markc wrote: j_ung wrote: If I only climbed in a gym, I would buy one, no questions asked. Really, even if you realized you could get twice the life out of a similarly priced device?
Its simple aesthetic -- every part of the device gets used on every belay -- appeals to me.
But, I also have a more practical point. Twice the life seems intuitive, but for me, it's not necessarily true. If I think back to all the tube-style belay devices I've retired, and there have been many over the years, I can think of only one that I retired from normal wear -- an old-style Reverso. I 86-ed all the others because either the keeper cable broke off, something better came out or because I wasn't thoroughly satisfied and just wanted to try something else. I went to the ATC Guide, because I felt, of all the similar devices, it was the easiest to release under load in auto-block mode. But it's still not perfect, and I suspect I'll switch again as soon as somebody comes up with something better. It's also worth noting that even the above-mentioned Reverso got replaced with something different.
Anywho, I'll stand by my assertion that, if I never needed to rappel, I'd buy one.
Call it a shit sandwich if you want, but at least give me some hot sauce and concede the bread is tasty.
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jt512
Dec 13, 2007, 4:44 PM
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j_ung wrote: markc wrote: j_ung wrote: If I only climbed in a gym, I would buy one, no questions asked. Really, even if you realized you could get twice the life out of a similarly priced device? Its simple aesthetic -- every part of the device gets used on every belay -- appeals to me. But, I also have a more practical point. Twice the life seems intuitive, but for me, it's not necessarily true. If I think back to all the tube-style belay devices I've retired, and there have been many over the years, I can think of only one that I retired from normal wear -- an old-style Reverso. I 86-ed all the others because either the keeper cable broke off, something better came out or because I wasn't thoroughly satisfied and just wanted to try something else. I went to the ATC Guide, because I felt, of all the similar devices, it was the easiest to release under load in auto-block mode. But it's still not perfect, and I suspect I'll switch again as soon as somebody comes up with something better. It's also worth noting that even the above-mentioned Reverso got replaced with something different. Anywho, I'll stand by my assertion that, if I never needed to rappel, I'd buy one. Call it a shit sandwich if you want, but at least give me some hot sauce and concede the bread is tasty.
I think if I climbed in a gym, and that the gym did permit grigris, this would be the ideal device. I think we can safely rename the device the ATC-n00b.
Jay
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markc
Dec 13, 2007, 5:11 PM
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j_ung wrote: Anywho, I'll stand by my assertion that, if I never needed to rappel, I'd buy one. Call it a shit sandwich if you want, but at least give me some hot sauce and concede the bread is tasty.
That's a pretty big 'if', but to each their own. In most cases where the price is equal, I'd prefer the product with more functions.
It's amazing what hot sauce will fix, eh? My point was more that direct experience isn't always required to develop a fairly informed opinion.
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slapslompers
Dec 13, 2007, 5:47 PM
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i've been climbing for a few days now and i keep seeing this shit about rapping on a grigri, atc uberlite, etc... Please tell me we're talking fixed line only. Have I been living under a rock or are you ancient stonemasters onto something i don't understand?
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Arrogant_Bastard
Dec 13, 2007, 5:53 PM
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diebetes wrote: First of all, it's surprising to me how many of you are acting like you know what you're talking about, but you don't even know that it IS possible to rap with that device (same as with a grigri, as another mentioned). Secondly, people thought the automobile was obnoxious when it was first developed, but I bet you all have licenses now. What I'm saying is you never know what might come from this design. Right now, yeah, I don't see the usefulness of this device, but I'm not spending time hating the thing. It is, whether you validate its existence or not. This is not your imagination.
People in marketing must blow a load when they meet someone as naivelike you.
"I love it, I'll take five!"
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Arrogant_Bastard
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angry wrote: Snot wrote: Fuck the Record!! Fuck the People
My balls, your chin.
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