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beyond_gravity
Jul 14, 2002, 9:44 PM
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Do you think Grunting on hard moves makes you climb better?
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tim
Jul 14, 2002, 10:02 PM
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only in offwidths and squeeze chimneys
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jdcox_9
Jul 14, 2002, 10:30 PM
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I don't know if it helps me, but I find myself gruntting anyway. It's kinda a mental thing.
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wildtrail
Jul 14, 2002, 11:13 PM
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No. Its just like those boneheads at the gym I lift at that grunt or yell. Jackasses, in my opinion. Grunting and yelling, at least in lifting, is usually for show and I find it stupid.
However, being a climber, grunting at times happens. It usually happens to me when I'm too pumped or something.
Just don't do it on purpose. Nothing wrong when it can't be helped, like during orgasm, but sometimes it is okay on the rock too!
Steve
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jt512
Jul 14, 2002, 11:18 PM
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Yes, on a powerful move.
-Jay
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crackaddict
Jul 14, 2002, 11:26 PM
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Not sure but it sounds cool!
And it makes me fell better.
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katywhitman
Jul 14, 2002, 11:27 PM
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Definitely!
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child_of_problems
Jul 14, 2002, 11:33 PM
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I've noticed when i grunt. Is on hard move that is scary as well. On a Huge stretch move. Or When i'm Pumped. It just happens i agree with wild trail. I think it sick when a climber does it. When we grunt its natrual. Not fake like peeps in the gym.
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jds100
Jul 14, 2002, 11:35 PM
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It seems to happen unintentionaly, usually on a hard route I've not tried before, and then on attempts afterwards, I don't grunt so much. Oh, well, my partners don't mind. I agree, if it's on purpose, the climber's askin' for ridicule.
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clymber
Jul 14, 2002, 11:54 PM
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if you grunt yell or do whatever sort of primal noise you want to HELPS. if you are doing that you are breathing. if you are breathing your muslces are getting oxygen which is a good thing.
also if grunting is bad why 5th degree black belts yell when punching thru bricks
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beyond_gravity
Jul 15, 2002, 12:09 AM
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what about the crazy french guys that yell there lungs out? Or Chris Sharma On realization? i'm sure that is on purpose.
YYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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ktwo
Jul 15, 2002, 12:17 AM
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I can't guarantee the validity of this statement, but I was told by a friend that grunting on a hard move increases your power. Could it be because it causes you to contract your abs, which drive your legs, which give you your power?
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quiver
Jul 15, 2002, 1:00 AM
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No.
But their is a chick at the gym that makes us all think bad thoughts when she does it.
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lesotho
Jul 15, 2002, 1:06 AM
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Try that crux without grunting and see how much more difficult it gets...
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cman
Jul 15, 2002, 1:47 AM
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There's nothin' like a hot chick makin' sex noises at the gym.
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orestes1724
Jul 15, 2002, 2:01 AM
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No.
I think its kinda annoying, espically in the gym. It kinda depends on who is doing it, if its some fat chick that cant climb then its dumb. But if its some hot guy tearing it up then he grunts then its okay. Not to be in-equal but you know how it is.
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huggybone
Jul 15, 2002, 2:26 AM
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I find myself making noises for three reasons:
1) whimpering, when utterly scared or a Looooong fall. Usually makes things harder and more scary. I try to avoid it.
2) Loud grounting, to prevent myself from giving up. I find that, in the middle of a hard move (mid 5.11 for me), a little voice goes, 'you can't do it.' I grunt to shut it up and smack it around. Usually works.
3) Sometimes, while I'm in the middle of a hard move, my belayer is yakking up a storm. It takes to much energy to stop and say 'excuse me mr. belayer, please do endevor to shut your yap.' Instead, a good old grunt usually shuts him up. Unless you've got one of those who will just talk louder.
I suppose its 'hey look at me,' but ya know, your belayer should be paying attention, even if it makes me look like a poser.
Its better to look like a poser than a decking, bloody mess.
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beyond_gravity
Jul 15, 2002, 2:48 AM
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No one wants to be a poser. I say deck, story to tell your grandchildern. after all, climbing is all about looking cool.
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wildtrail
Jul 15, 2002, 4:08 AM
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I'm with cman on that one!
If, for one moment, I thought beyond_gravity wasn't being sarcastic...!
Hey beyond,
Yeah! And we have death wishes and enjoy pain too! Don't forget the sadistic nature of our being. If it weren't for the image of this confounded sport, I'd quit and start golfing!
Steve
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wildtrail
Jul 15, 2002, 4:11 AM
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Huggybone,
Whimpering. Yes! Whimpering. This would be me. This happens often. Especially when I hit that one freakish position in which my bad shoulder sends a signal of pain so intense to my brain that I temporarily turn off and peel from the rock with the grace of a lead brick!
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amsam
Jul 15, 2002, 4:23 AM
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Wildtrail - I've been told I have a death wish, and I like the pain that comes from climbing. But hey, I'm just weird like that.
About the grunting, I used to make fun of a lot of my other friends that did it, told them they were just showing off, but then one day they pointed out that I was doing it too, but I didn't even notice. I guess sometimes people just can't help it. It never really bothers me though if other people do it, as long as it's not obvious that they're showing off, like if they're on a 5.2 or something.
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farrensbooks
Jul 15, 2002, 5:02 AM
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what if its more of a gasp than a grunt? does that mean i suck at climbing?
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cragchica
Jul 15, 2002, 5:56 AM
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It helps me at times. I think it's best when done sparingly, though. I like to hear people moaning and groaning when they are really pushing themselves. It's great to know you're working yourself to the point that you have to cry out in pain.
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stevematthys
Jul 15, 2002, 6:00 AM
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i grunt occasionally, with a few sparatic cuss words thrown into the mix
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squirrelgirl
Jul 15, 2002, 6:17 AM
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I tend to grunt when I'm pulling a tough move. I don't intend to, it's sorta an involuntary thing. I guess it helps me get through the crux sometimes cuz it feels like I'm releasing pent up strain. Dunno why but it's true.
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wildtrail
Jul 15, 2002, 6:39 AM
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amsam,
I agree, but I suck. I might just grunt on a 5.2!
As for farrensbooks,
No, gasping is okay. Especially when you escape a fall by the skin of your teeth!
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hangdoggypound
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I whine like a puppy when I'm losing momentum and getting freaked.
It sure does waste energy, but hey, at least I feel like I'm climbing at my limit. Know what I mean?
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pumpkin_man
Jul 16, 2002, 5:08 AM
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i just cant help it!!!
so what? am i going to be stupid because of this? who cares! just climb up!!!
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apollodorus
Jul 16, 2002, 5:22 AM
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A good tennis player grunts on the serve because he's using his abs mightily, and the crunch forces all the air from his lungs. A karate guy Hai-Yah!s his way through a stack of bricks by using the noise as part of his focus towards the sudden impact. Most of the noise I make climbing (recently, anyway) is wailing and bitching and moaning. Forcing all of the air from your lungs on a hard climbing move, so as to allow the tightest compaction of the entire torso, is perfectly legal. You should also grunt just as the rope grabs you when you whip.
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Jul 16, 2002, 6:21 AM
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I've heard rrradam claim that a good GRUNNNTTTT!!! right as you pull the crux can add a letter grade to a route...
Sounds good from the ground anyway Adam...
Live Free!
Play Hard!
Climb On!
duskerhu
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climber_dude
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i grunt when i am at the crux of a climb or have gotten far up a climb i didnt think i could do pretty much when i am really determined of getting something
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I find I'll grunt when I'm really focused and pretty much out of energy, if I grunt I can get over that hump... well sometimes.
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Jul 16, 2002, 1:49 PM
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For me its a natural thing, i scream/grunt on very powerful moves or when i'm so pumped i'm about to puke...
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mialovesclimbing
Jul 16, 2002, 1:56 PM
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well, I´m a girl and I have to admit that I grunt too. I have it even on video camera now since a friend filmed my climb last week.. but I think grunting is ok, I dont do it on purpose, it just suddenly comes out when I put a lot of effort in.
Mia
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sure, I grunt from time to time. sometimes it is because I am on a tough move, or sometimes I am just tired. I don't know why, I doubt it helps me, it just escapes.
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beyond_gravity
Jul 17, 2002, 5:22 PM
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I dont understand how grunting makes you more powerful, but it seems too. anyone know how?
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bwnco
Jul 17, 2002, 5:37 PM
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IF you aint grunting your not on a hard enough route.......calmy try to get threw the crux....Now, do it and grunt, its obviously better plus draws attention if you want a gal to see a neat move..........BEW
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acrophobic
Jul 17, 2002, 5:49 PM
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grunting is just an expression of intense exertion... comes hand in hand.. if you don't make noise, your not trying your hardest... show me one climber that dosn't scream every now and then..
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Yes, but their is a limit to the grunting. Some people do it all of the time in the gym, others do it involutarily and some people do it to psych themselves up.
As long as you are not making a scene all of the time. I think you are in the clear.
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