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If you search the history of ascention, you do not find "Bouldering" in the idex of this subject. Long boards were resurrected in skateboarding to give the people that couldn't master the craft of skateboarding, a feeling like they belonged to this subculture. Well my friends, we have the same thing with bouldering. Bouldering is gym climbing with a ton of mattress pad resting. Climbing is everthing else. If you fall "bouldering" you might land on a cushy pad. Worse case scenario you may break an ankle or even worse a leg. If you fall climbing you may die!!!
-tda
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lizard0fthetrail
Nov 15, 2005, 5:44 AM
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Get back under your bridge.
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stroker
Nov 15, 2005, 5:48 AM
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I too have suffered from obesity. I appreciate your comment and I welcome your comments to utmost respect and consideration. You are my nieghbor.
-tda
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UM...People have been climbing the small stones for a looooooooong time. Most of our heroes and legends have spent many a day "practice climbing," or exploring rock piles and talus fields on a rest day, or honing their tequnique/strength in "bouldering areas" like Bishop and Hueco in the off season.
I know there are some assholes and pricks and babies out there and most of them are gym rats and have never roped up (except for that one time at boy scout camp when they were 11) but denouncing bouldering so harshly and completely makes you sound like a moron.
cheers!
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In reply to: If you search the history of ascention, you do not find "Bouldering" in the idex of this subject. Long boards were resurrected in skateboarding to give the people that couldn't master the craft of skateboarding, a feeling like they belonged to this subculture. Well my friends, we have the same thing with bouldering. Bouldering is gym climbing with a ton of mattress pad resting. Climbing is everthing else. If you fall "bouldering" you might land on a cushy pad. Worse case scenario you may break an ankle or even worse a leg. If you fall climbing you may die!!! -tda
Could you please hurry up and do that?
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In reply to: If you search the history of ascention, you do not find "Bouldering" in the idex of this subject. Long boards were resurrected in skateboarding to give the people that couldn't master the craft of skateboarding, a feeling like they belonged to this subculture. Well my friends, we have the same thing with bouldering. Bouldering is gym climbing with a ton of mattress pad resting. Climbing is everthing else. If you fall "bouldering" you might land on a cushy pad. Worse case scenario you may break an ankle or even worse a leg. If you fall climbing you may die!!! -tda
Okay, lemmie give an attempt at following this logic here.
1) the long board analogy. Don't know enough about skating to argue on that count, but you gonna *really* sit there and say people who boulder can't climb? Like the two are somehow mutually exclusive? Seems you need to get out more.
2) It's not in the history. Well, take a close look at that history, and you tell me. what else should we get rid of? At some point, there we no manufactured harnesses, no C4 rubber for shoes, hell, there was a point before climbing shoes! How far you wanna go back?
3) bouldering is an indoor sport. Okay, next time you have a few days off, I want you to go to this little park outside of El Paso, TX. It's called Hueco Tanks. Go there, look around, then report back on this 'point'.
4) bouldering is not climbing because you can't die doing it. My god, I can't believe you said that. Yes, people die climbing. How could you be so insensitive to make that a requirement? the fact that PEOPLE DIE is a sad fact- not a tool you pull out to determine if you are 'real' or not. You are twisted as hell. Lord, were you drunk when you posted this? Cuz, really, your basis for what you think is a point is really just some juvie way to incite a flame war. Feel better about your importance to the world yet?
Quit trying to be so elitist as to make up for your other failings.
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LOL!
Curt you owe me a keyboard...or a beer. Or a keyboard and a beer, they are in the same wet mess now.
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In reply to: In reply to: If you search the history of ascention, you do not find "Bouldering" in the idex of this subject. Long boards were resurrected in skateboarding to give the people that couldn't master the craft of skateboarding, a feeling like they belonged to this subculture. Well my friends, we have the same thing with bouldering. Bouldering is gym climbing with a ton of mattress pad resting. Climbing is everthing else. If you fall "bouldering" you might land on a cushy pad. Worse case scenario you may break an ankle or even worse a leg. If you fall climbing you may die!!! -tda Could you please hurry up and do that? Curt |
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In reply to: If you search the history of ascention, you do not find "Bouldering" in the idex of this subject. Long boards were resurrected in skateboarding to give the people that couldn't master the craft of skateboarding, a feeling like they belonged to this subculture. Well my friends, we have the same thing with bouldering. Bouldering is gym climbing with a ton of mattress pad resting. Climbing is everthing else. If you fall "bouldering" you might land on a cushy pad. Worse case scenario you may break an ankle or even worse a leg. If you fall climbing you may die!!! -tda
Ever done 65 mph on your shortboard?
Edit to add, how did I miss your profile shot of you bouldering........
Keep up the good work and come skate So. Cal sometime.
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stroker
Nov 15, 2005, 6:09 AM
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somebody has a ton of time on their hands. Dressing up Muppets. Did the estate of Jim Henson authorize the use of its characters?
Peacefull thoughts
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No, bouldering is not real climbing. It's a very clever deception, but if you pay real close attention you will notice that the boulderer actually remains at the same height while they, in fact, pull the entire planet down (relative to the climber). To onlookers it appears that the boulderer is climbing up, but in reality they are just pulling the top out down to them. This is where the term "pulling down hard" really comes from.
When a boulderer "falls" it is actually because someone much stronger than them is bouldering on the other end of the planet and is pulling down harder in an opposed direction.
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stroker
Nov 15, 2005, 6:46 AM
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Mr. Ikefromla,
I shall not kiss your lower area, yet I will suggest that extending that knee could or will lead to problems in the future. That "problem" looks harder than anything I could do, yet I cannt help but feel sorry for your knee. Relax my friend. Tie into a rope and leave the ground. I was working my body out at the gym, and I realized that I finally understand you. When you get off the deck, you will understand me.
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*smooch*
Oh... you weren't talking to me, were you :oops:
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stroker
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Can somebody explain to me the use of Trolls when describing me. I know that I do not write the best of things, yet I definately can get a conversation going. Truly, that is what I set out to do. Anyway, why a troll. Why not a Democrat? Oh no, there I go again
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Now Stroker, if I plucked you out of Grand Junction, Colorado, and dropped you in the middle of New York City, where you would have to work a full time job, get around by subway, and have scant access to anything that is not man-made, your ass would be all over the boulders of Central Park 'cuz that is all that you would have to work with aside from gyms.
And for the "real climbing" record, I know tons of kids who are more commited and passionate about thier urban bouldering than you guys lucky enough to live by mountains.
Thanks for bringing climbing down a notch. How very "real" of you.
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In reply to: If you search the history of ascention, you do not find "Bouldering" in the idex of this subject. Long boards were resurrected in skateboarding to give the people that couldn't master the craft of skateboarding, a feeling like they belonged to this subculture. Well my friends, we have the same thing with bouldering. Bouldering is gym climbing with a ton of mattress pad resting. Climbing is everthing else. If you fall "bouldering" you might land on a cushy pad. Worse case scenario you may break an ankle or even worse a leg. If you fall climbing you may die!!! -tda
I can imagine sign posted in downtown next to an old brick-building saying
“ NO BOULDRING ACTIVITES ON THE WALL” city code sec.109B
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I'm glad to see that there are people out there who are so accepting of all real sports. It is amazing that you can say that one aspect of our sport is real and the other is fake. Thats interesting because how can a sport that thousands of people around the world participate in and even compete in is fake. I find your comments on both bouldering and longboarding offensive because both seem pretty real to me. If nothing else though it was a good troll (if you've figured out what that is)
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A troll is a person who says completely meaningless things and starts stupid threads just to watch those others who are naive enough to respond in a real way. Its like making fun of retards sortof...anyway it means your just an idiot for putting others down for their way of climbing...in fact it means you aren't wanted here as you are diminishing the real usefulness of this website for those who wish to use it to learn to expand their lives through the type of climbing that they choose or that is currently available for them...shut up or leave bro
long boarding is fun too...fyi...im sorry i didn't realize climbing was actually a dick measuring contest
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In reply to: .fyi...im sorry i didn't realize climbing was actually a dick measuring contest
Climbing isn’t (necessarily), RC.com IS.
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In reply to: .fyi...im sorry i didn't realize climbing was actually a dick measuring contest
Climbing isn’t (necessarily), RC.com IS.
Awesome! That's one of the best things I've seen on this site. Stroker, it seems like all you can do is come on here and bash the sport that you do. I'm a trad climber... 90% of the time. the rest of that time I do a bit of sport, and god forbid... bouldering. It's all rock climbing to me. There is a ton you can gain from it. Get over yourself.
wtf, my quote didn't work, oh well.
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I'll openly admit that I am not a fan of bouldering, but you are a complete ass for even thinking you have the right to spew your garbage. Go fuck your self with an Alien!
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stroker i like your style. you are consistent with your thoughts about climbing and how lame bouldering is. now you just have to realize that the majority of people that post here well at least people w/ over 2000 posts are noobs, hypocrites, that like to spray what they can't do. ex. are edge, curt, bobd1843. edge the biggest hypocrite will allow curt to yell at posters shut the Fock noob, yet in the meantime locks a thread for bashing a boulder. then he clicks on "norope" so he can check out porn on the hotness thread. by the way i love that thread hate norope but like hotness.
stroker people here actually like a person who rapp bolts a climb then hang dogs his way through the climb just to claim a FA right Philadelphia liar.
you may be trolling but i agree w/ you. crash pads wtf are crash pads used for?
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Read. Yankee Rock & Ice. Games Climbers Play, You will find climbers have been bouldering for quite a while.
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aww man. Your reasoning is so flawed its hilarious. Honestly, I really don't like bouldering. It doens't do anything, at all, for me. I do not think it commands or demands the respect that sport, trad, aid, and alpine do. But I certainly would not try to say that it wasn't climbing.
To each his own. and yes it is climbing and yes it is very hard. I don't like it. who wants to work that hard to get 10 feet off the ground..?? not me. but apparently alot of ground lovers do. For me I love the distance between me and the ground and the challenge of protecting myself in an atempt to keep my ass from taking the big fall.
bouldering is climbing man, despite how you may feel about it.
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In reply to: aww man. Your reasoning is so flawed its hilarious. Honestly, I really don't like bouldering. It doens't do anything, at all, for me. I do not think it commands or demands the respect that sport, trad, aid, and alpine do. But I certainly would not try to say that it wasn't climbing.
AZ, I'm wondering where your reason is. This guy is not trying to reason, he is trying to troll, the more shit you talk about him the more he enjoys it because he doesn't think he is as stupid as he made himself sound in the OP. And what kind of world are you living in where you think anything demands or commands respect? People will only respect what they care about, we have too big of a world in our heads to care about anything outside of it. You can't seriously be telling me that you have never met a person that thinks any sort of climbing for recreational purposes is stupid can you? I meet them all the time. Stroker is just one of the people that likes some parts of it and not others, rather than thinking it is all stupid.
Has anybody else noticed that almost all of Strokers posts are either trolls or just ridiculously stupid? :?
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In reply to: ...now you just have to realize that the majority of people that post here well at least people w/ over 2000 posts are noobs, hypocrites, that like to spray what they can't do. ex. are edge, curt, bobd1843. edge the biggest hypocrite will allow curt to yell at posters shut the Fock noob, yet in the meantime locks a thread for bashing a boulder...
Another good thing to know about RC.com is that most people who post here anonymously do so with good reason. Many of them, like piton, are probably 14 year old girls who have never climbed a day in their lives.
Curt
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In reply to: Another good thing to know about RC.com is that most people who post here anonymously do so with good reason. Many of them, like piton, are probably 14 year old girls who have never climbed a day in their lives. Curt
You are being to kind Curt, I say about 12 years old.
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Why was this posted in Regional Discussions??
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we are sorry, but the number you have reached is either disconnected or not in service. please check the number and dial again, or hang up and try your call at another time.
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Well, it's at real good practice for climbing.
I fail to see it as an end in itself, but it makes me a better climber.
So anything I do that may kill me is real and anything I do that will not kill me is not real? Let's see.
Racing my bicycle, not real
Riding my bicycle to the store, very real
Randomly screwing women, real
Having a caring relationship, not real
Running, not real
Smoking, real
OK, this argument isn't as cool sounding as I thought it would be. Anyway, you still get the idea.
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In reply to: If you fall "bouldering" you might land on a cushy pad. Worse case scenario you may break an ankle or even worse a leg. If you fall climbing you may die!!! -tda
Thats so far from the truth its not even funny. And its not just me that says so, its the US government. For work conditions, OSHA requires fall protection for any situation where a person may fall more than 4 feet, since such a fall can lead to serious injury or death. You can easily kill yourself with a short fall if you fall on your head or break your spine. My coworker is a paraplegic because he fell 20 feet off a ladder and broke his back. 20 feet is about the height of a bouldering fall. The notion that the worse case is a broken ankle is a lie.
Anyway, you have obviously never bouldered seriously. Otherwise you would realize that it is a really fast way to get stronger in other forms of climbing. Since I started bouldering more, I easily busted out of my plateau and into 12's, and now on-sighting 12's and ready to climb 13's.
If you spent more time bouldering, and less time disrespecting and pigeonholing groups of people, you would probably be a much better climber.
And how is this a regional discussion???? Apparently, people who don't know how to boulder also don't know how to use forums.
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I do find it, um, remarkable, how bouldering as an outgrowth of rock climbing has blossomed into a specialized sport. Its like so many things in our modern world... we build complexity into something that ought to be patently simple. We do it because we must I know, the same holds true in science, religion, economics and engineering. We just can't help ourselves. If a thing we enjoy is not complex, we will add rules and accoutrements until is achieves sufficient complexity.
Consider bouldering... it is THE most natural form of rock climbing of all. You need NOTHING but yourself and a rock, to boulder. You can be baboon naked, with your red ass held high in the air, and STILL you have all you need to boulder.
I DO find it ironic that the notion of modern bouldering includes a pad. A guy in this thread said a 20 foot fall "is a bouldering fall." Only one of the pad people could make such a statement. In unprotected bouldering, a 20 foot toss is pretty goddamned stupid. Few people will walk away from a genuine 20 foot fall unscathed.
Now I'm not knocking pads and spotters. Far stronger climbers than me see and realize the benefits of this protection, and that what pads and spotters really are, climbing protection, same as Friends! Exactly like Friends, hopefully. (though not always)
If someone asks on this site - 'how do I get into bouldering?' the most common first answers will include obtaining a pad and recruiting a partner to spot. This is the self same complexity I was speaking about.
The very first thing I would tell someone wanting to get into bouldering is...
Find a boulder. Climb it.
Welcome to bouldering.
All that other shit, pads, people, Prana, all of it... unnecessary complexity... the rules made up by other people and foisted upon you "This is how WE ROLL BABY!"
Fuck that. Make your own rules.
My bouldering is as real as I choose to make it.
NEXT!
DMT
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good comebacks boldie & philly liar. glad to see you old men are still going through your mid life crisis.
sincerely the devil :twisted:
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In reply to: If you fall "bouldering" you might land on a cushy pad. Worse case scenario you may break an ankle or even worse a leg. If you fall climbing you may die!!!
Ok, I'll bite. :D
After all, death is the point right? *Dude took a 40 foot whipper but lived to tell about it. Pansy. If he'd a died he'd a had somethin' to talk about.*
Watch this... wait... hold my sign... and my beer... I'd hate to lose 'em.
Waylan :lol:
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In reply to: If you search the history of ascention, you do not find "Bouldering" in the idex of this subject. Long boards were resurrected in skateboarding to give the people that couldn't master the craft of skateboarding, a feeling like they belonged to this subculture. Well my friends, we have the same thing with bouldering. Bouldering is gym climbing with a ton of mattress pad resting. Climbing is everthing else. If you fall "bouldering" you might land on a cushy pad. Worse case scenario you may break an ankle or even worse a leg. If you fall climbing you may die!!! -tda
By any chance do your initials stand for "The Dumb Ass?"
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To think that Bouldering is not climb is “cough” bull Shit.
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In reply to: Mr. Ikefromla, I shall not kiss your lower area, yet I will suggest that extending that knee could or will lead to problems in the future. That "problem" looks harder than anything I could do, yet I cannt help but feel sorry for your knee. Relax my friend. Tie into a rope and leave the ground. I was working my body out at the gym, and I realized that I finally understand you. When you get off the deck, you will understand me. Cheers -tda
Are you serious... cause you know Ike has never led right... :roll:
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i really like climbing on rocks. what the heck. lol. what a goofy thread.
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Right on deltav!!! Athough I think that a Camalot, probably big green, might fit a little better.
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In reply to: If you search the history of ascention, you do not find "Bouldering" in the idex of this subject.
ok man .... just..I ........Wow
well, ok here we go, first of all "if you look back at the history of ascention" you will find that before all this ropes and harness jazz, that you claim make the sport real, climbers had boulders to work on. We couldn't just say that we're gonna go up the nose, no we had to limit ourselves to the boulders, because that's what climbing was.
Point number two; you are the most hypocritical bastard i can think of, you're saying that bouldering sucks..it's not "real" climbing, but in your profile there are pictures of you (yes, i mean the starter of this thread) bouldering. With those pointless crashpads that you dissed so accuratly.
Point number three if you go to the dictionary and look up "climbing" here is what you get:
Verb
Inflected forms: climbed, climb·ing, climbs
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tr. 1. To move upward on or mount, especially by using the hands and feet or the feet alone; ascend: climb a mountain; climbed the stairs. 2. To grow in an upward direction on or over: ivy climbing the walls.
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intr. 1. To move oneself upward, especially by using the hands and feet. 2. To rise slowly, steadily, or effortfully; ascend. See Synonyms at rise. 3. To move in a specified direction by using the hands and feet: climbed down the ladder; climbed out the window. 4. To slant or slope upward: The road climbs steeply to the top. 5. To engage in the activity or sport of mountain climbing. 6. To grow in an upward direction, as some plants do, often by means of twining stems or tendrils.
This includes bouldering because, yes, it does require moving youself in a general upward direction, unless you are by chance on a roof in wich case you move horizontaly, but some of those "real" climbers out there aren't strong enough to do this and do not understand.
In conclusion
Boudering Came First
You Suck
Climbing means Bouldering/Bouldering means climbing
suck that noob!
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landgolier
Jan 31, 2006, 5:28 AM
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What the hell is going on around here? Half the threads on the front page are 6-18 month old revivals of shit that was dumb in the first place. Mods, can we pleeeeease move to an archive system, pretty pretty please?
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curtis_g
Jan 31, 2006, 2:28 PM
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stroker/tda...
you are just plain stupid. Thats sadly the only words I can think of to describe you. ...just plain stupid. Don't worry, we forgive you for your immaturity.
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sogwap7
Jan 31, 2006, 2:35 PM
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You use chalk
Boulderer's use chalk
You wear climbing shoes
Boulderer's wear climbing shoes
Here's what really clinches it.......
YOU CLIMB ON ROCKS
BOULDERER"S CLIMB ON ROCKS.
grow up!
s.
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ltj16hb
Apr 14, 2006, 5:48 PM
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stroker.... watch dosage III.... tell sharma that 'witness the fitness' isnt real climbing...
ohh, and think once and a while, for our benefit atleast... please?
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refusedpartyprogram
Apr 14, 2006, 6:49 PM
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part of the reason i started climbing was because i found it so similar to skateboarding. if somebody just rides a longboard, they still skateboard, even tho they are missing out on a huge part of the sport.
same with climbign. if somebody just boulders, theyre missing out on a huge part of the sport but they are still climbing, it still takes skill, practice and hard work.
bouldering is way harder than longboarding tho, Longboarding is like a long hike in the climbing/skateboarding analogy... still skateboarding tho
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up_for_a_good_time
Apr 14, 2006, 6:54 PM
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i think it's funny that you have two pictures of you and your "climbing" buddies bouldering in your profile as well as one of you "climbing" up a fixed bolted ladder on the face on some rock. oh, and thanks for leaving no trace with the ice axes in the trees. good job, stroker. and nice name, too.
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sevrdhed
Apr 14, 2006, 7:12 PM
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Reviving old troll threads about bouldering isn't real climbing either.
Postcount++
Steve
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rockscaler2
Apr 14, 2006, 7:19 PM
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Troll of the month!!! LMAO!!! :lol: You MAY die climbing anything dumbass!
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superbum
Apr 15, 2006, 5:39 AM
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I climbed into bed last night...
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