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sungam
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tgreene
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Unless you've lead trad, any attempted explanation would fall on deaf ears...
Aside from that, it's the purest level of "oneness" that you'll ever achieve within you're being, because of the intense focus of mind/body/spiit and soul.
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tattooed_climber
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more elelments....more dangers...more head games..TOTAL freedom....required knowledge...there's just more to it....
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curt
Jan 8, 2006, 9:49 PM
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Because it's real climbing--without any artificial sweeteners. :wink:
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buoux
Jan 8, 2006, 10:17 PM
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Why trad? - 'cause they don't bolt killer splitters in Indian Creek (for starters) :D
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iamcolinslack
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because it is a way of walking you own road not plowing one. It has the least impact on the stone.
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angry
Jan 8, 2006, 10:50 PM
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Because I feel a connection and closeness to the rock. To climb sport feels like an attempt to pacify what is best left raging.
Trad is real, sport is T-ball
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healyje
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The heart of the matter is accepting complete responibiliy for yourself. You, and only you, are responsible in real time for your own protection and safety on a climb. Sport climbing represents an abdication of that responsibility to someone else who is providing your protection and they did it in some past time frame. You have essentially abdicated responsibility for your protection and safety to another person.
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kman
Jan 8, 2006, 10:55 PM
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In reply to: how the hell did i eplain this? what makes trad climbing so good? How would you respond to a question like this?
The answer sounds something like "STFU and try it or go back to the gym you f'n punter." :lol:
Joking of course :roll:
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grover
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double post
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grover
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Well, just ask yourself "why sport?" then reverse all the answers.
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billl7
Jan 8, 2006, 11:20 PM
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Trad: freedom of expression.
In Lynn Hill's book Climbing Free, she favored climbing over gymnasitcs because of the creativity and individuality of "solving a problem" that is unique to climbing - or something close to that. I think there is something similar between placing pro versus 'binering a bolt ... between exploring/discovering a route (or sub-route) and following a line of bolts.
Not trying to raise up trad strictly over sport, just trying to answer the question. :D
Bill
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saxfiend
Jan 9, 2006, 12:15 AM
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I kind of think of it like the difference between a really nice meal in a restaurant and a really nice meal I've prepared myself, in my own kitchen, from fresh ingredients. The restaurant meal (i.e, sport or toproping) tastes great and I enjoy it. The one I cooked at home (i.e., trad climbing) also tastes great, plus I also have the satisfaction of knowing I grilled the steaks just right, the hollandaise sauce isn't curdled, the asparagus isn't limp and the key lime pie has that special kick that comes from fresh-squeezed key limes.
Now excuse me while I go rustle up a nice juicy multi-pitch 5.8, medium rare . . . :wink:
JL
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mr8615
Jan 9, 2006, 12:18 AM
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In reply to: I kind of think of it like the difference between a really nice meal in a restaurant and a really nice meal I've prepared myself, in my own kitchen, from fresh ingredients. The restaurant meal (i.e, sport or toproping) tastes great and I enjoy it. The one I cooked at home (i.e., trad climbing) also tastes great, plus I also have the satisfaction of knowing I grilled the steaks just right, the hollandaise sauce isn't curdled, the asparagus isn't limp and the key lime pie has that special kick that comes from fresh-squeezed key limes. Now excuse me while I go rustle up a nice juicy multi-pitch 5.8, medium rare . . . :wink: JL
Classic, I'm drooling... :lol:
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sbaclimber
Jan 9, 2006, 12:19 AM
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Very simple: it gives you the opportunity to play with gear, while still free climbing (as opposed to aid climbing, which has more gear-play, but less climbing)!
Some people are born gear-heads/whores, they become trad or aid climbers. Some are not, they become sport climbers or boulderers.
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joshy8200
Jan 9, 2006, 12:56 AM
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In reply to: I kind of think of it like the difference between a really nice meal in a restaurant and a really nice meal I've prepared myself, in my own kitchen, from fresh ingredients. The restaurant meal (i.e, sport or toproping) tastes great and I enjoy it. The one I cooked at home (i.e., trad climbing) also tastes great, plus I also have the satisfaction of knowing I grilled the steaks just right, the hollandaise sauce isn't curdled, the asparagus isn't limp and the key lime pie has that special kick that comes from fresh-squeezed key limes. Now excuse me while I go rustle up a nice juicy multi-pitch 5.8, medium rare . . . :wink: JL
NICE!
It is very much like that. One doesn't have to have any 'knowledge of food' to eat it. Just like you don't have to really have any knowledge of gear placements to just climb top-rope or sport. Or like a car driver doesn't have to know how to fix a car to drive it...The art of placing gear just adds a new dimension to climbing that until you learn it and do it, you'll never understand.
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Jan 9, 2006, 2:11 AM
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Tradīs awesome because you can (in theory) find a crag along a highway with a killer crack running through it and not have to worry about it being bolted or not. You just grab your gear and go.
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3cclimber
Jan 9, 2006, 3:06 AM
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Freedom to climb and explore new areas. Push yourself to the limits.
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jt512
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In reply to: The other day a friend asked me "whats so special abouut "trad" climbing?" I really had to think about it, how the hell did i eplain this? what makes trad climbing so good? How would you respond to a question like this?
I should feel like a kid in a candy store right now, but after having just drunk the largest margarita in North America, my resposnse will have to be postponed 24 hours.
Jay
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climbinginchico
Jan 9, 2006, 5:45 AM
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Majid would be proud that he's wearing a helmet. :P
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kalcario
Jan 9, 2006, 6:29 AM
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Why trad?
*Sport climbing represents an abdication of that responsibility to someone else who is providing your protection and they did it in some past time frame. You have essentially abdicated responsibility for your protection and safety to another person.*
Crap answer. You could just as easily say that trad prioritizes playing with gear over actual difficulty. Neither would be true. Which is safer, 10 bomber Camalots or 10 bolts?
*To climb sport feels like an attempt to pacify what is best left raging. Trad is real, sport is T-ball*
In other words, overhanging face climbing isn't real. Total Crap. Next...
*The art of placing gear just adds a new dimension to climbing that until you learn it and do it, you'll never understand.*
Even more crap (placing gear does not add a new dimension to climbing, it distracts from the climbing).
The answer about restaurants vs home cooked was the least crap, but still crap. The real answer:
Stand in El Cap Meadow and gaze north. If the answer to "Why Trad" does not occur to you then, it never will.
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jdouble
Jan 9, 2006, 4:32 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: The other day a friend asked me "whats so special abouut "trad" climbing?" I really had to think about it, how the hell did i eplain this? what makes trad climbing so good? How would you respond to a question like this? I should feel like a kid in a candy store right now, but after having just drunk the largest margarita in North America, my resposnse will have to be postponed 24 hours. Jay
Please tell me you were not at the Mexican Rest. (name?) in Yucca Valley. That margarita almost killed me................
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bobruef
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Why would anybody write their own music when there are plenty of good karaoke bars?
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stovetop
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In reply to: Stand in El Cap Meadow and gaze north. If the answer to "Why Trad" does not occur to you then, it never will.
Amen!
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