This wan't a "dimpled cam recall" transaction, but a replacement for a trigger sheath repair. What we know thus far is this is different failure modality, this time with the loop swaging. We do not know if it was a "dimpled" unit though from the description in the post it sounds unlikely.

You say that Dave has so much of our safety at heart then why so long to take his fellow climbers seriously about their concerns? Why did it take a retailer to prove his product unsafe? Why did he call one of his fellow climbers a fraud? I do compare this guy to a big company because the only answers I can put into these questions is MONEY. A true artisan would take safety concerns to heart and do what is right immediately not wait until the community proves his equipment unsafe.

If Dave has followed all of your (your being the group of volunteers/consultants) recommendations then why have we not seen an apology to the OP for calling him a fraud?

If you say that there will invariably be setbacks while they set up their QA system, does that mean to buy an alien means that you could possibly be buying a defective piece of gear which is unsafe? If that is the case how can Dave have our safety in mind? An unsafe piece of gear could be the ultimate cause of a persons death or at the very least how could you not at least be carrying that fact in the back of your mind when placing it?

As an employee of CCH do you recommend to buy aliens? Are you saying that they are now safe?

He is by his own admission getting something for work applied to CCH. He is the closest thing that we have to getting answers from a company spokesman. The question still stands Are aliens safe? Your feeble attempt to answer the question just doesn't cut it and if your not a spokesman for the company then really can't answer it anyway after all you admit your self that you don't know what is happening at the shop.

I think an answer from Dave would go along way. I mean why would anyone buy his product unless he can come on here and say they are safe? I would even start to suspect companies that are carrying CCH products. Why would you trust a company that is carrying aliens and cannot stand behind the products that they are selling? Maybe its time to start telling retailers to read these threads to get informed of the alien debacle.

And while questions are flying, do you actually have Aliens? Have you climbed on them? Everyone is free to post away here, but are you vested in this sad affair or is this just a matter of the "principle" of the thing? It would be helpful when folks join the conversation to know if they own Aliens or not, or whether they are interested in discussing the issues around product defects and recalls and CCH's handling of the matter.

Well, here's another prime example of hyperbole. The guy is getting like two sets of cams for volunteering his services to help Dave out - he's not an employee. Get a grip.

He's getting a couple of cams for helping out - that in no way makes him an employee, spokesperson, or anything else remotely along those lines.

A year ago somebody jumps on-line and screams about a failure, yet never produces the Alien... If you were Dave, what would YOU think..?

If aliens are indeed being tested, every single one, that's a great step forward. Tgreene, to be fair, I think you need to disclose with any alien-related post that you're being compensated, if you indeed are.

Now,you make one million dollars worth of product a year, and take a net income/profit of 100,000.00.You've been paying 25k in taxes and social on that, so ended up with 75,000 a year.Typical garage operation

healyje, why does this really matter? Seems more like a cheap shot from an otherwise stellar poster; not unlike the cheap shot about someone being christened as a CCH spokesman for getting a few cams. But maybe you have some solid reason. Tit-for-tat to make a point or something more?

I returned a dimpled alien last week with the same round sticker on the trigger. What was on it wore off long ago, but I do remember that it was a single letter in quotes, hand written in pen.
I hope this doesn't indicate a repair.. as I had purchased this alien as new.

Does that make you a *professional* rock climber? Maybe you should also add "professional altruist" on your card for your services rendered to CCH. Frankly, your assistance makes me *more* nervous about trusting an Alien than before.

I keep reading this thread because I find it hilariously entertaining how healyje responds to EVERY SINGLE thread with some sort of comment in defence of CCH or on how each post accomplishes nothing by its emotional or illogical rhetoric.

Wouldn't that suck if we had an accident because of a gift we got for our wedding?

Not saying the OP isn't totally legit,just looking at it from Dave's perspective, or what I imagine that to be.

I owned an orange alien up until just a few months ago. I bought it about 3 years ago and used it occasionally, to be honest I loved it and weighted it often as I am not a very good climber. I have never fell on it. Just a few weeks ago I retired it and tossed it, because I did not trust CCH to test it and knew every time I would use it I would not trust it. I'm pissed at the company because I assumed that a modern company would have a proper QC program. I am also pissed because I had to give up a piece that I really liked and don't have anything to replace it with, however I am going to try TCU's. I truly hope that Dave sells the design to a company that will make the design right. After seeing how he handled this I don't think I could ever trust CCH again. I think that people should send Dave a message and not buy his cams and also tell retailers to not carry them so that he will sell the design.

Also you can dress up why he called the op a hoax any way you want. It was still uncalled for.