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climbsomething
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GIRLS: for a day or two on the rocks, or a road trip, how necessary do you think it is to have a female peer in your party? Are you okay heading out with just a male partner (who, for the sake of discussion, is not your significant other), or being the only gal among 2 or more men? Or does being the only girl intimidate you?
Especially for women new to the sport, do you like having a woman around as you get adjusted to your wonderful new world? Would you rather be taught by a woman?
MEN: (because you are, after all, the majority in this sport) Do you like to have at least 2 women in your party, if/when you have any women at all, so they have each other? Do you think a lone girl would be intimdated, uncomfortable, or maybe a bit bored by all-male surroundings?
Be honest here
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chakan
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my first mentor was a girl!! she was awesome.... didn`t phase me at all that she was waaaaay better than me and she always brought her girlfriend to the crags when we went on a climbing weekend. so I was the only male with 2 woman... didn`t make me feel uncomfortable at all!! They roxed!!
not sure if a lone girl would feel uncomfortable.. being the lone male didn`t make me uncomfortable.... Tho I did bring my x-girlfriend with me when it was just me and her and my male climbing partner... she was uncomfortable but it was more the height than her being the only girl.
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rock_diva
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It depends on the situation. My first climbing partner was a guy and we rarely had other women climbing with us (we did have the pleasure of climbing with Climberchic and Climbsomething). But we were good friends and knew each other well. It seemed only natural to road trip together. Now he's married so it would be uncomfortable.
I've road tripped with different guys since then... the funnest being a group in City of Rocks. I was the only female for a few days there and loved it!
That being said, I think it would be so cool to have an all-chic road trip sometime! Now that's something you don't see everyday!
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bigevilgrape
Sep 17, 2002, 11:15 PM
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im always the only girl. its not a big deal for me unless the guys are a bunch of asses
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rocks4jules
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In all honesty, being with guys doesn't bother me at all. It is always nice to have another female along -- for conversation sake and all, but I'd rather climb and be taught by a guy. I'm heading out on a road trip this weekend to Kokanee Glacier to do some ice/snow climbing with 10 people I don't know (mostly all guys). I think there is another girl, but hey, we'll have a great time male or female! Thanks -- great topic.
Have fun and CLIMB ON!!!
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thrillseeker05
Sep 17, 2002, 11:18 PM
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When I first started climbing it was the girls that took care of me, they would offer advice and support. So I just wanted to start off by saying thanks.
We have a few girls in our group and I have noticed that they do like it when another female climber is with them. They work together and even get more competitive rather then just giving up because “guys are stronger” whatever ..
I think that the girls like climbing with the guys.. and don’t mind being the only one.. but when another girl is there I think they get into a groove better.. just my observation.
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climbchick
Sep 17, 2002, 11:19 PM
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I'm totally cool with being the only female and/or going on a trip with a guy, and that's usually how it ends up anyway. It's probably because I was such a tomboy when I was a kid. As an adult, I've always had more male friends than female, even before I started climbing. My best friend is a guy. Doesn't faze me.
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drector
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I'm a guy... My flight instructor was a girl and it didn't phase me so there's no ego problem for me. I've yet to climb with a girl although I have no problem with it. I think that I would feel uncomfortable at first if I were the only guy in a group.
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grigrigirl78
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I love hang'n with the guys, my 2 partners are both guys with significant others and we all get along great. I just recently found a female partner and she's just as great, so as long as I have a great partner...male or female and I'm climbing as hard as I can it's all good!
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climbsomething
Sep 17, 2002, 11:29 PM
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Back to answer my own question
I think thrillseeker has a good point. I don't mind being the only girl, but when my chickie-poos Andria, Brandy and Jaimie are out there, I have that much more fun! We have taken many trips in a variety of combinations. Still, guys rarely intimidate me, on the basis of their being guys.
I am not quite a tomboy, but I am not a girly girl either. Two brothers, no sisters, and an aversion to dresses and other feminine trappings, like brushing my hair , have always made me a little less "pink." When I was younger, girls thought I was weird, but the feeling was mutual
Now, I have girlfriends, but they're not much girlier than I am. We all manage to find each other eventually
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rocks4jules
Sep 17, 2002, 11:31 PM
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Nice observation, thrillseeker05! I think you hit the nail on the head for this topic. So young, but yet so wise!!! Thanks.
Jules
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climberchic
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I feel like I've climbed with about 100 different people and they are 99% guys. I would love to find some regular female partners that can challenge me and teach me new ways and techniques to climb. Unfortunately, I've found that women (with the exception of rock_diva )flake a lot more than men. I love my male climbing partners now, but would like to have a all-female outing one time and see if I climb harder than what I'm climbing now.
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the_elk
Sep 17, 2002, 11:42 PM
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I was introduced to climbing by men, I always tend to go on road trips with men, I really don't mind being the only girl on road trips.
I think it has something to do with growing up with 4 brothers... I tend to have quite a lot of male friends that climb, and there's never really been an aversion to date any of them... (that said, I'm now dating a guy I've known for years).
I like climbing with guys because they generally push me harder. But I do have one great climbing chick bud who works herself, and me, just as hard as the blokes. The climbing group generally consists of her and I and the 6 or so blokes. But we are generally seen as another couple of blokes, and I actually really appreciate that.
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rockchick
Sep 17, 2002, 11:47 PM
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My first climbing partner was a guy (my cousin) then i stopped climbing with him for a bit and was climbing with another guy, then started climbing with my cousin again and on and off ill climb with some other friends but they are always guys.
Im not in the least bit bothered about climbing with all guys.
Ive only climbed with females a few times because of personality differences, so from my experiences i would rather climb with just guys but the few females i have climbed with i really enjoyed it
So i guess in the end i'm undecided
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climberchic
Sep 18, 2002, 12:08 AM
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Ski~
I don't think her post was about meant literally but was more of a dicussion starter about how much do/or don't need female companionship.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Hillary.
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dondiego
Sep 18, 2002, 12:16 AM
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I went with a group of girls one time and they kept joking between themselves things that they wouldn't include me on. Also, I think that they were always looking to see if I was checking them out like we guys just can't control ourselves around chicks. Kinda disheartning. I didn't have that much fun therfore I have not repeated that trip though I have been asked to go with them frequently.
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froggy
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Hi
I think this is a great topic!
Um.... where to start?
I think it depends on the guys that I climb with, but for the majority - it is great to find women that climb as well or better than you, so you can be supportive in helping push the others limits.
The other day another female climber told me 'that watching me lead was an inspiration to her, and she is now stepping up to the plate and leading more.' With that comment it inspired me to step up and start climbing harder stuff again. Last Saturday I lead my first 5.8 pitch at Tahquitz with this inspiration, which was huge for me.
So, yes I think that women help other women reach their limits and give a very comfortable and positive environment for this. But, I have seen it go the other way too... Where some women get jealous and freak out... and some men are very supportive and easy going...
I guess it depends on the person more than the sex of the individual.
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well, living in the town over run by army dudes, its hard to find quality female climbers. i've usually been the only chick when i've gone. or rather, the only girl willing to get her nails dirty and try something scary and fun...
hey froggy! how've you been girl?!
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froggy
Sep 18, 2002, 12:29 AM
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Good, how about you - it has been quite some time since I have heard from you
Climbing a lot?
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climberchic
Sep 18, 2002, 12:29 AM
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Hahaah...Sara!
See my reply to your post in the "lead" thread. Very true....
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missedyno
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well, my only chicky climbing friend just moved to africa for a year
it's difficult... all the climbing partners i know are guys, and i have a serious boyfriend, but we can't always climb together...
it would be great to meet up with some other climber chicks, and i'm really trying.... but girls get catty and threatened and strangely competitive....
sigh.
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I'll second dondiego's observation. The ladies enjoyed the "girl talk" (their words). I was warned on the drive down that since they had had to put up with testosterone talk in the past, I could expect to endure a heavy dose of estrogen:roll:. Based on that experience, I think there are women who prefer climbing with other women, at least on occassion.
Personal preference: I like to climb. Gender issues will get in the way if people make a big deal of them. I decided after that one weekend that when the supposed "gender divide" gets too much attention, it gets difficult to communicate and that's damn scary no matter which side of the rope you're on.
W
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mostly i go out to climbing areas with some gals. my male friends prefer watching football, baseball, or other popular sports on tv on weekends which bore me to death so i bring my female partners to climbing areas. i do teach them how to do these climbing stuffs. they seem having a ball with me.
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indigo_nite
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for supportiveness, my guy climbing friends can be as supportive as women. and women that I've climbed with can be as competitive as men supposedly are.
for a new group, yes, I'd rather have at least one other woman. conversationally, it can be more relaxing to chat w/ women but then some of my guy friends have their own style of banter which is much like stand-up comedy and enjoyable.
lately I wonder though if the climbing guys' non-climbing significant others mind when they take off for a weekend w/ another girl... I could expect it somewhat.
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climberchic
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Girls, gurrls, chics, women, womyn...it's all the same to me.
I think any of those terms hold negative connotations if you let them. I see them as descriptions of the female gender and therefore hold power, meaning, strength, and femininity...all of which I cherish.
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climberchic
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To each his own and I truly believe that. I am fully convinced of your argument to not use those terms.
Regarding the girl climber though, I don't think of women as weak, insugnificant or subordinate and refuse to let anyone label terms having to do with women as such (not meant towards you, but "society"). If we take ownership of these terms, and take pride in them, no one can defame or malign us with them.
When someone says "You hit like a girl", I say "Thank You!" and them knowck them on their silly ass.
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Most of my partners thus far have been male, and it hasn't been a problem. They've been highly supportive, and willing to teach me what I don't know. As a matter of fact, a lot of the guys I've climbed with wish that MORE women would climb! And these are guys involved in relationships and whatnot, not guys who want to "pick up". They're just looking for more balance. I've even been asked for advice on how guys can get their girlfriends interested in climbing, because it would make them feel better about taking a risk if she were willing to share it with them (as opposed to so they can get more rock time in).
I've always been involved in "male-dominated" sports (fencing, hockey), and worked in a "male-dominated" insustry (computers) for five years, so it's not something I really think about when I just want to get my butt out there and climb. If some guy wants to hand it out, I can give it back with the best of them. Problem solved.
That said, I really would enjoy more female company when I'm climbing. If I say to a woman "I have cramps," she's a lot more likely to offer me some ibuprofen and a lot less likely to say, "eeeew, too much information," than a guy. I'm always trying to get more of my female friends involved in climbing, because I enjoy their company and would like to spend more time with them.
Were I on a road trip, though, I'm not sure how I'd feel being the only woman, even if my husband were along. I don't think I'd feel entirely comfortable, simply because my universe has some pretty serious variants from that of the men's. A good mix of men and women is fun, and I think I'd LOOOOOOVE the occasional "womyn's trip" to refresh my spirit.
Kate
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Well i almost always climb with guys....the first real time i climbed with a gal was just last month when i met up with jess (crazylikeafawkes) man it was a nice to finally have a chick around to chat with. not to discuss girly stuff but just to be able to realte with. we had a blast. but now i am back with the boys it seems, which is cool. it's just a pain sometimes to clean the gear that a 6 foot person placed when your only 5 feet tall. ah....just an added challange.
~eryn
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Honestly, being the only female on a trip doesnt really bother me. Most of my friends are men, and I'm completely comfortable being around them.
However, when meeting up with someone completely new, I generally have back up plans for my backup plans and make a point of making the initial meeting place a popular crag.
I mean, seriously, I'm 5' tall and weigh in around 100lbs .. I do take my personal safety seriously at all times, and (thankfully) I've only been in one climbing situation where I've been uncomfortable with the fella with whom I was climbing .. the backup plan kicked in, and I was with another set of climbers by the end of the day.
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I once took a 4 day road trip to Rumney with two women I didn't know. They got into a huge fight and wouldn't speak to each other for the last half of the trip. It was very uncomfortable for me, especially on the 6 hour drive home. I don't think I would take another trip as the lone guy in a group of girls.
I really prefer to climb with one partner and not in a group anyway. In that case, it doesn't matter to me if its a guy or a girl, though 99% of the people I climb with end up being guys.
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not all women are caddy...and from the girls i have met that climb, they don't fit in that catagory...andrew sorry you had a shitty time but don't give up on all of us!!
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Hey, I love women. I just fear them in groups.
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hehe, fears women in groups We are a mighty group right here, Andrew, muah ah ah. But we won't eat you. You're nice
Anyway, enough of my sillery (that's a word I just made up, you knows).
People like drector- why be uncomfortable being the only man among women? Is it because of situations like Andrew's?
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it would be great to meet up with some other climber chicks, and i'm really trying.... but girls get catty and threatened and strangely competitive....
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I have noticed that in small bits, myself...
I find myself climbing more with Guys than women. I think it goes without saying I love climbing, point blank...anyone wanna hook up, I'm game.
I remember saying to a woman, at the gym...I told her...that she climbed beautifully. I got the look of "weirdo"...
I'm more than willing to comment, or give praise, as I see it...but, since then?? I am a bit apprehensive. It was HER lack of taking a compliment, it seems. Needless to say I felt strange...
And I DO get those looks at the gym. Lookin me up and down...sneering at me....I just smile and say HI!!
I'm a seen as a wee bit weird, to most. BUT??? I AM ME
I haven't edited:
why is it I feel like a bitch for saying or showing my observations???
but, this is what I see...
*sigh
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I am a wee bit weird meself, T. I get those looks in places other than the gym too. Because I say what I think is funny, or right, or just what is on my mind, and I say it as only the Hillary can I am a smart ass, but I don't try to go out and hurt people's feelings or piss people off for sport. I am just not much for self-censorship if I think I have something relevant to say. If that's bitchy, well *shrug*
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I've spent so much time being the only girl in a large group of guys that I think I'm more comfortable as the only girl.
It deffinately can be fun to have other girls around to share a few jokes and talk about all the guys, as long as they aren't the super prissy, flirty type, that can get annoying, especially on extended trips.
For me, climbing with more girls than guys just feels wierd, and I've never gone climbing with just girls. I think that guys just bring a different aspect to a group and I know I'd miss 'em if they weren't around.
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Wow...
Climbsomething and T...I could have written those very statements. You took a lot of words from my mouth...LOL!
I grew up getting along with guys better that gals. There are very few gals that I ever considered true friends. I always felt like everything i said or did was offending them...and I was usually right, but instead of saying so straight out..they just talked behind my back. This made me very weary of women. I also found that my joking around and easy comraderie with guys was taken as flirting or sluttiness. I never could understand those crazy creatures. Guys on the most part said what they thought..and never asked fickel questions they didn't want honest answers too. I am a very straight forward person and I love honesty...even if it hurts. I was taken in stride better by guys and given far more honesty by them as well. I've watched groups of women at the rocks having a great time and being supportive of each other and I have to say I wish I could enjoy that as well...so far no luck. I have only climbed with my husband and two different instructors. One of the instructors is a woman and I was fortunate to run into her at a crag and she and her male partner were very friendly with my husband and I and invited us to climb some routs that they had lead. It was nice. I like the lady..she seems sincere. I would love to ask if she want s climb again sometime, but I am so cautios now. Not sure if I would have the guts. I like climbing with guys just fine. I think I feel more challenged when i have other climbers around than just my husband...they can feel free to haggle me if i start to give up...where as my husband is far too nice to do such a thing (maybe i would be more likely to throw something at him..tehe!). I have completed some hard climbs this way...I was sure to thank the guys for their bullying!
The few times I have been fortunate enough to find a female kindred spirit in the out of doors scenario...they have lived far away..and have had little chance to give growth to those friendships. I hope this will not always be the case...only time can tell.
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i like climbing with my guy friends. i have 2 that i go with regularly...i've always had only 1 or 2 really good gal friends and a ton of guy friends. most of the girls i know are too girly anyway to want to climb. i mean, i'm girly and everything, i love to dress up if i have a reason to, but these girls are the type that scream if they break a nail or wear full makeup on the university ski trip and reapply it on the hour even if they're in the middle of the slope...ya know, the kind with tackle boxes instead of a tiny makeup bag? all that to say...i prefer my guys. they're always even keeled and they me a man's perspective on life...they're great.
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I have never gotten a chance to climb with any fellow female climbers. I was introduced to climbing by a guy, and he has always been my partner. I would like to climb with different people, male or female. Everyones there for one purpose: to climb
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Dawn~
Keep checking the lower right column on the front page for upcoming RC.com gatherings. Plenty of co-edness there
If you're interested in a girls outing, Hillary started a really good thread.
http://www.rockclimbing.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=16652&forum=56&5
~Erica
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Most of my climbing partners are men, but it doesn't mean that I wouldn't mind climbing with women. But I get impatient with women who are too "girly" and insecure. Of the few women that I'm friends with, whom I play soccer with, they're strong, independent, and confident women who don't take s*** from anyone. I have respect for those who hold themselves in that regard. Besides, I just haven't met other women in my area that I can climb hard with.
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I know this may be a little off the basic topic but I would like some help from some of the women here. About a year and a half ago my wife suffered a terrible accident where she severed all the tendons in the outside of her right hand. She went through therapy for almost a year and has lost most of the strength in that hand. She would like to join me climbing but feels she is unable to climb and won't go.
How or what can I do to get her out to the crags and do you think it would help to get her out with other women rather than men at first?
Feel free to drop me a PM if you have something you think would help. I would love to have her along on my trips but she doesn't want to just sit and watch.
Climb On
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Registered: Jun 17, 2002
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There's been a handful of times that I've been the only guy on the trip. Being in the house of estrogen (wife, daughter, even the dog and cat were both female) I'm pretty much used to it . And having climbed all these years, hands down it seems that I learn the most watching women climb (no not those parts - I'm actually watching the feet and hands) because they tend to try new things, not use as much strength, and have a much better sense of balance which creates great footwork. If you've climbed at Joshua Tree, you know how important that is! Even when I'm out making the climbing films, I make a point of having women who climb just as hard as the guys do.
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