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mturner
Apr 26, 2007, 4:03 PM
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Anyone know of any studies or have any professional input on the psychology of chasing grades. I'm interested in what type of people chase grades versus caring more for the quality (no matter how difficult) of route. I'm interested in seeing if there is some kind of pyschological void that people who chase grades are seeking to fill. Sort of an insecurity thing I guess. In other words, can climing certain grades actually be a substitute for a lack of self-worth?
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caughtinside
Apr 26, 2007, 4:11 PM
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Good luck with that.
Here is something to think about: chasing grades is a worthy goal because harder routes are generally better and more aesthetic.
Or
chasing grades opens up a world of more routes you can do, and no waiting in line.
But, it seems like you've got your mind made up already, and are just looking for some sort of validation for your silly hypothesis.
Or,
I just totally got trolled.
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sidd
Apr 26, 2007, 4:12 PM
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This could get nasty...
Yes, everyone, absolutely everyone who wants to climb harder grades does it because the want to fill the black abyss inside of them. They are all insecure assholes too, real pillow-biter types.
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zealotnoob
Apr 26, 2007, 4:16 PM
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 I'm also doing a study: is psychological inquiry an effective distraction from poor grade advancement? No intended ill will--I couldn't resist. Carry on. 
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limeydave
Apr 26, 2007, 4:17 PM
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Your question has serious flaws.
Many beginner climbers 'chase grades' as a way of measuring self-improvement. There's nothing wrong with that IMO. It motivates them to climb harder.
Those same climbers once they've been at it for a while don't see such rapid progression through the numbers and learn to appreciate a nice line regardless of grade.
I guess I see it as a personal evolution rather than your over-simplified pidgeon-holeing of unchanging character types.
You chase grades, therefore you have a small penis.
Psychologists, pah.
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drunkenhighball
Apr 26, 2007, 4:27 PM
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people chase grades for many different personal reasons, but it's all for a psychological boost. even people that don't "chase grades" feel an emotional or psychological high upon completing a difficult climb. if you don't get psyched about challenging yourself then why are you climbing? i gues what i'm trying to say is that grade chasers like evidence of their improvement in a tangible, report-card like form while non-chasers guage improvement on how they feel on the rock.. that is all.
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ichris
Apr 26, 2007, 5:13 PM
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there is certainly a sense of conquest that I feel after climbing a challenging or impressive line. Therefore chasing grades juest means people like new challenges to keep things interesting. It doesn't seem like a very complicated concept.
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mojomonkey
Apr 26, 2007, 5:29 PM
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I do it mostly because I'm an asshole.
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dingus
Apr 26, 2007, 5:37 PM
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mojomonkey wrote: I do it mostly because I'm an asshole.
"I'm a prickly pear!" (name that movie)
DMT
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omalavet
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i ride MTB and dirt jump bikes to... also use to ride motocross.... and you just try to climb harder jump farther and ride faster because you want to push your limits... i do it for the adrenaline....
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socalbolter
Apr 26, 2007, 5:38 PM
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I'd rather chase meter maids.
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the_dave
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I wouldn't say there's something wrong with people who chase grades. I chased grades till I could redpoint 12's and 13's, now I don't have to wait in line to climb =D. Now I just climb whatever I can. I wanted to get good, so when I travel I can walk up to a rock and say, "That looks fun I want to climb it.
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sockclimber
Apr 26, 2007, 6:04 PM
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movie name: Leaving Las Vegas
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billl7
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If you are really looking for professional input then I don't know - maybe look for parallel conclusions from pscyh studies about why folks who don't "need" it go after bigger salaries.
If you're taking a vote for the most popular then I'd vote for caughtinside's: "chasing grades opens up a world of more routes you can do, and no waiting in line."
Bill L
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majid_sabet
Apr 26, 2007, 6:25 PM
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Boulder rats
that what you need to look for
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themadmilkman
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mturner wrote: Anyone know of any studies or have any professional input on the psychology of chasing grades. I'm interested in what type of people chase grades versus caring more for the quality (no matter how difficult) of route.
Why can't you do both? Oh wait, you can.
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limeydave
Apr 26, 2007, 7:00 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: Boulder rats that what you need to look for
You are so full of it.
Some of the most humble climbers I've ever met are 'boulder-rats'.
Have you ever been anywhere near a rock?
Have you ever had any human interaction with a real person?
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Apr 26, 2007, 7:06 PM
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limeydave wrote: majid_sabet wrote: Boulder rats that what you need to look for You are so full of it. Some of the most humble climbers I've ever met are 'boulder-rats'. Have you ever been anywhere near a rock? Have you ever had any human interaction with a real person?
Dave
They always look for "V" this " V" that
They even got a new magazine to their name and do not forget , they are taking over all short rocks
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skinnyclimber
Apr 26, 2007, 7:21 PM
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limeydave wrote: majid_sabet wrote: Boulder rats that what you need to look for You are so full of it. Some of the most humble climbers I've ever met are 'boulder-rats'. Have you ever been anywhere near a rock? Have you ever had any human interaction with a real person?
Don't listen to him Limeydave. Majid Sabet means wanker troll in his native language.
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limeydave
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skinnyclimber
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And in other news:
Limeydave takes skinnyclimber to school! well not really, nice pic.
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jt512
Apr 26, 2007, 9:11 PM
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mturner wrote: Anyone know of any studies or have any professional input on the psychology of chasing grades. I'm interested in what type of people chase grades versus caring more for the quality (no matter how difficult) of route. I'm interested in seeing if there is some kind of pyschological void that people who chase grades are seeking to fill. Sort of an insecurity thing I guess. In other words, can climing certain grades actually be a substitute for a lack of self-worth?
What would be vastly more interesting is research on the phenomenon whereby untalented climbers feign disinterest in difficulty and adopt an attitude of moral superiority over more highly skilled climbers.
Jay
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dingus
Apr 26, 2007, 9:14 PM
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jt512 wrote: What would be vastly more interesting is research on the phenomenon whereby untalented climbers feign disinterest in difficulty and adopt an attitude of moral superiority over more highly skilled climbers. Jay
No... it wouldn't.
What would be vastly more interesting than either is a detailed and extended mind you, study of Gold Coast Aussie meter maids.
DMT
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Apr 26, 2007, 9:20 PM
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jt512 wrote: mturner wrote: Anyone know of any studies or have any professional input on the psychology of chasing grades. I'm interested in what type of people chase grades versus caring more for the quality (no matter how difficult) of route. I'm interested in seeing if there is some kind of pyschological void that people who chase grades are seeking to fill. Sort of an insecurity thing I guess. In other words, can climing certain grades actually be a substitute for a lack of self-worth? What would be vastly more interesting is research on the phenomenon whereby untalented climbers feign disinterest in difficulty and adopt an attitude of moral superiority over more highly skilled climbers. Jay
neither, who cares
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rocknice2
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I don't see a problem in pushing my limits, whether it's trying to climb harder grades or gaining more knowledge or whatever. This is not a low self esteem issue, it's a challenge.
Low self esteem is when you set your self worth in accordance with your climbing level instead of how much fun your having.
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