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stymingersfink
Nov 24, 2007, 12:43 AM
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if a rope is not sufficient to communicate with, then nothin's gonna help them out. Especially when the batteries go dead or the thing gets dropped.PTFTMFCW!
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moose_droppings
Nov 24, 2007, 1:02 AM
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jimbop wrote: Something that has intrigued me - why do people assume a communication aid is an electronic device?! Development of communication aids may be a programme that helps beginner climbers to learn the calls and techniques and become experienced climbers, under the wing of other experienced climbers.
Why? 
Then what else have these two pages been about?
Supertroll?
up to page three edit
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t2stone
Nov 24, 2007, 2:53 PM
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I really must agree with.....healje
now ,please excuse me... its TIME toCLIMB!
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jimbop
Nov 25, 2007, 1:18 AM
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You have simply reiterated the reason behind my asking that question. Why have there been several pages worth of comments on electrical communication aids?! The fact that there have been pages worth of the aforementioned comments is no reason for there being so! The point of my previous comment was more aimed at stating that there are other forms of communication aids than electronic ones, as I am sure there are, amongst those who have read this post, people who could successfully develop such aids.
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shaylily
Nov 25, 2007, 2:22 AM
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What ever happened to "it depends" and some sort of "common sense?" I usually discuss with my partner before leaving the ground and communication is not a problem. Usually. THere was one occassion that it electronic devices would have been very useful but we worked around it. THe most annoying time climbing was in an area with people that had walkie talkies and used them excessively. Visual and verbal communication was not a problem and they have been partners for several months. What was the point of the walkie talkies? Overall, I climb with the same people and we discuss before leaving the ground. We also know each other well enough to have an educated guess as to what is going on. That is my two cents worth....and it answers the original question.
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moose_droppings
Nov 25, 2007, 2:51 AM
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jimbop wrote: You have simply reiterated the reason behind my asking that question. Why have there been several pages worth of comments on electrical communication aids?! The fact that there have been pages worth of the aforementioned comments is no reason for there being so! The point of my previous comment was more aimed at stating that there are other forms of communication aids than electronic ones, as I am sure there are, amongst those who have read this post, people who could successfully develop such aids.
Enough of the shell game:
In reply to: likely to be used as a basis for new sports specific communication aids.
Were you talking about electronic comm aids or not.
Like trying to bag fog. 
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stymingersfink
Nov 25, 2007, 3:16 AM
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jimbop wrote: You have simply reiterated the reason behind my asking that question. Why have there been several pages worth of comments on electrical communication aids?!
Developing a non-electronic "system" that is efficient requires a level of familiarity with a partner that can only be experienced after building it over time. There are no shortcuts to that. This is one of the reasons a good partner is worth so much more than money... you can't buy a good partner, period.
Climbing with someone you're not familiar with would (in my mind) require that you stick to single-pitch climbs, until such a point that some level of familiarity is reached that would allow you both to feel comfortable being out of verbal or visual communication.
So, what's your problem again? Could you state it in a clear enough manner that people don't misinterpret what you're trying to ask? Oh, and you should probably stick to single-pitch stuff here on rc.n00b for a bit, till we all learn to read each other a bit better.
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pwscottiv
Nov 25, 2007, 9:32 PM
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stymingersfink wrote: pwscottiv wrote: Second, what's the problem with having more climbers in the world?  Personally climbing is my favorite thing to do, and I take every opportunity I get to introduce it to people who haven't tried it in the hopes that they might find as much joy in it as I do. Proselytizing is more appropriate in The Soap Box forum. Reading your posts, I would have to say you would fit right in with the crowd over there... PTC, tradman, etc. etc. You're not one of their other accounts, are you?  Umm, ok, you guys are the best, I bow down to your excellence. I know I don't have a right to post in your presence, as you most likely own this forum and the only comments you'll allow are ones that are negative and/or have nothing to do with the thread in question like whining about how bolts have made you less elite and worrying about how "comm aids" might do the same. And even if you don't own this forum, you do have WAY more posts than me (wow 2800!) and considering just that fact alone I know I will never be as good as you or worthy of posting replies anywhere you might happen to see them. I am truly sorry for offending you in your temple of self-worship, please don't beat me.
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flint
Nov 26, 2007, 3:19 AM
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moose_droppings wrote: jimbop wrote: Something that has intrigued me - why do people assume a communication aid is an electronic device?! Development of communication aids may be a programme that helps beginner climbers to learn the calls and techniques and become experienced climbers, under the wing of other experienced climbers. Why? Then what else have these two pages been about? Supertroll? up to page three edit
Programs for beginers, can we also have a class for leave no trace ethics, trad climbing principles, maybe just a standard for how to clean the top of a sport route to prevent thousands of posts on RC.com asking how do I get my stuff back...
All in a perfect world
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flint
Nov 26, 2007, 3:25 AM
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pwscottiv wrote: stymingersfink wrote: pwscottiv wrote: Second, what's the problem with having more climbers in the world? Personally climbing is my favorite thing to do, and I take every opportunity I get to introduce it to people who haven't tried it in the hopes that they might find as much joy in it as I do. Proselytizing is more appropriate in The Soap Box forum. Reading your posts, I would have to say you would fit right in with the crowd over there... PTC, tradman, etc. etc. You're not one of their other accounts, are you? Ok, you guys must be the resident elitists, right? Umm, ok, you guys are the best, I bow down to your excellence. I know I don't have a right to post in your presence, as you most likely own this forum and the only comments you'll allow are ones that are negative and/or have nothing to do with the thread in question like whining about how bolts have made you less elite and worrying about how "comm aids" might do the same. And even if you don't own this forum, you do have WAY more posts than me (wow 2800!) and considering just that fact alone I know I will never be as good as you or worthy of posting replies anywhere you might happen to see them. I am truly sorry for offending you in your temple of self-worship, please don't beat me.
hey, me too. I take every opportunity to introduce my friends and other people I know well to the sport of climbing. I know these people share some of the same ideals as me, and well hopefully learn and live there climbing lives to the same standards that I do. Granted, I am no climbing, nature angel... but I do my very best to preserve and to teach. And hopefully my friends will follow the examples that I set.
Now, sometimes douche bags enter the climbing gym while they were looking for the mirror to admire themselves in, and forget to leave...
Call me an elitist, but which type of climber are you?
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climbsomething
Nov 26, 2007, 4:07 AM
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This thread is now about cake.
Have you noticed how many wedding cakes are chocolate sponge with layers of raspberry preserves? Man, cake jam is awful.
That's why I'll never get married. Shitty reception cake.
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stymingersfink
Nov 26, 2007, 5:23 AM
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moose_droppings wrote: climbsomething wrote: Shitty reception cake. I've heard most brides after eating that shitty cake are less receptive to sex. 
Only from what I've heard though. Not that I would know. Huh-uh.
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ajkclay
Nov 26, 2007, 5:32 AM
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I tried communicating with the rope last weekend...
I doesn't work.
For a start, trying to keep the line tight was tricky.
But the hardest bit was threading the rope through the bottom of the cans and then holding it to your mouth/ear without untying.
Plus, I think that the rope might be too thick to carry the vibrations of my voice.
Should I use thinner double ropes to remedy this problem?
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flint
Nov 26, 2007, 6:39 AM
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ajkclay wrote: I tried communicating with the rope last weekend... I doesn't work. For a start, trying to keep the line tight was tricky. But the hardest bit was threading the rope through the bottom of the cans and then holding it to your mouth/ear without untying. Plus, I think that the rope might be too thick to carry the vibrations of my voice. Should I use thinner double ropes to remedy this problem?
And trophey
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stymingersfink
Nov 26, 2007, 6:48 AM
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ajkclay wrote: I tried communicating with the rope last weekend... I doesn't work. For a start, trying to keep the line tight was tricky. But the hardest bit was threading the rope through the bottom of the cans and then holding it to your mouth/ear without untying. Plus, I think that the rope might be too thick to carry the vibrations of my voice. Should I use thinner double ropes to remedy this problem?
I suspect the problem you were experiencing was a result of both of you trying to speak through the single rope at the same time. The thinner double ropes will actually help provide a clearer signal. One (yellow, in my case) is for transmitting, while the other (grey, also in my case) is for receiving.
I have done away with the old-school tin-cans (the sharp edges scare me!!) opting instead for a pre-threaded 1-liter plastic soda bottle with the end cut off. It can be a PITA when you're making a clip, but with some practice and care, soon you'll not even notice it!
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ajkclay
Nov 27, 2007, 9:07 AM
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stymingersfink wrote: ajkclay wrote: I tried communicating with the rope last weekend... I doesn't work. For a start, trying to keep the line tight was tricky. But the hardest bit was threading the rope through the bottom of the cans and then holding it to your mouth/ear without untying. Plus, I think that the rope might be too thick to carry the vibrations of my voice. Should I use thinner double ropes to remedy this problem? yes. I suspect the problem you were experiencing was a result of both of you trying to speak through the single rope at the same time. The thinner double ropes will actually help provide a clearer signal. One (yellow, in my case) is for transmitting, while the other (grey, also in my case) is for receiving. I have done away with the old-school tin-cans (the sharp edges scare me!!) opting instead for a pre-threaded 1-liter plastic soda bottle with the end cut off. It can be a PITA when you're making a clip, but with some practice and care, soon you'll not even notice it!
Sweet!
Ummm... one more question: Does it matter that my ropes are red and blue respectively? Should I use blue for in or outgoing messages?
Cheers
Adam
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stymingersfink
Nov 27, 2007, 4:14 PM
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ajkclay wrote: Sweet! Ummm... one more question: Does it matter that my ropes are red and blue respectively? Should I use blue for in or outgoing messages? Cheers Adam
The whole blue-out rope kind of has some negative connotations in my book. I guess I'd rather have a message just blue in.
The real problem comes with utilizing twin ropes, which are often the same color. The clipping of both to each piece also can be confusing, as some messages get their directions crossed. Nothing like talking into one rope, and having it come right back at ya through the other.
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oldsalt
Nov 27, 2007, 5:24 PM
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moose_droppings wrote: climbsomething wrote: Shitty reception cake. I've heard most brides after eating that shitty cake are less receptive to sex.
Believe me, it is not the cake. Once you have the fish in the boat, do you continue to feed it worms?
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JohnCook
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Communication in mountain sports. Marry your partner, communication then stops, because you already know that whatever you say it will be wrong!
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