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murf
Oct 24, 2008, 11:45 PM
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adatesman wrote: shockabuku wrote: Possibly out of spec, sure; likely, no. If he's had 3 of them over the years that have fit the same placement that means he would have had to have 3 out of tolerance HB nuts, all out of tolerance in the same manner. That, I think, is highly unlikely. An earlier spec? Well, that's certainly possible but I'd say still unlikely, though more likely than the out of spec case. My issue is, why the vehemence in the argument? He's sending off to DMM for comparison. He readily admits his issue is in the fact that the new DMM nut is different than the HB one but DMM asserts they're supposed to be the same. So, unless someone is deliberately lying, this means there is at least an unknown somewhere if not outright confusion or error. It doesn't seem unreasonable to figure out where that is as long as DMM is willing to play. I'm curious to know why it's not the same. I read into your responses that you don't care. Okay, that's fine, buy why get all wrapped around the axle about the fact that someone else does? Goshdarnit, Shockabuku, didn't you see his earlier post about letting the adults get on with their argument? Why you have to go and spoil it by injecting facts, logic and common sense?  (PS- I can't believe this is still going on! 200 posts is in the bag... Any takers for 250 posts?)
Tell me one specific fact Shockabuku has interjected?
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murf
Oct 24, 2008, 11:46 PM
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zeke_sf wrote: healyje wrote: DMM starting to epoxy was done in a subsequent production run. In this instance, the decision to not epoxy was a deliberate [re]design decision that varied from the HBs. It resulted in the DMMs essentially being unusable until you epoxied them yourself. Good to know they are epoxying them now. "Essentially unusable" seems like hyperbole to me although, granted, that argument has more functional credence than prissy anodizing concerns.
Turns out I have used mine enough that they don't slide so much.
I don't need to slide them towards the end.
My partners can get them out.
I've saved baby seals just by showing them to fishermen.
Oh wait, was I not supposed to admit I actually climb?
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zeke_sf
Oct 24, 2008, 11:47 PM
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shockabuku wrote: murf wrote: shockabuku wrote: murf wrote: shockabuku wrote: murf wrote: shockabuku wrote: Have you for some reason made it your mission in life this week to fuck w/ healyje's personal concerns or is there some other reason you're being an ass about this? r u stalking me? Why? Well, you don't have a thing interesting to say other than to call me an ass... So, either you're stalking me, or just stupid. Of course, those could be the only two possibilities. So, extrpolating from that logic you must be stupid or stalking healyje since you haven't said anything interesting. Funny that you apparently think it's interesting that I called you an ass. Go away and let the grownups argue. Anyway, your "argument" seems to be in a hiatus for the moment so just consider me to be giving you a chance to further refine your internet skills.
No, I believe that's called politics.
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climbinginchico
Oct 24, 2008, 11:55 PM
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The fact that three different #9 hb's were the same spec and now this DMM is significantly different lends more creedence to healyje's argument than it does yours. Now kindly drop it. Please.
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adatesman
Oct 25, 2008, 12:20 AM
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murf
Oct 25, 2008, 12:22 AM
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adatesman wrote: murf wrote: Tell me one specific fact Shockabuku has interjected? That you're being an ass. C'mon... That was too easy! 
Actually, that is an opinion. The fact that you are easy, well...
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adatesman
Oct 25, 2008, 12:26 AM
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billcoe_
Oct 25, 2008, 12:47 AM
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Call it 40.
BTW, great entertainment value here. My only addition is this: Murf: HealyJ KNOWS those EXACT placements. I've climbed with him and I can assure you 2 things. I often won't remember the rack on routes I've fa'ed the week before and then climbed 10 times to lead my buddies up it...and 2) HealyJ KNOWS exactly where that #9 goes and the way it places. I can assure you that his knowing those placements and how it goes is not something you want to include in the debate.
I KNOW little else of course, but it's been fun reading this thread and watching you get your lil panties all bunched up there.....for little apparent reason:-)
PS, you're a JT climber eh? If I'm ever down there I'll look you up. Nice hanging around a campfire with folks like you. Not messing with you about that, you look to be a good guy. But the gum flapping works better around a campfire usually!  
BTW, HealyJ is in LA this week or I'd be inspectin' his nutz, maybe you should do a few laps. He's as safe as you'll find.
Take care all
Bill
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murf
Oct 25, 2008, 12:49 AM
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adatesman wrote: murf wrote: adatesman wrote: murf wrote: Tell me one specific fact Shockabuku has interjected? That you're being an ass. C'mon... That was too easy! Actually, that is an opinion. The fact that you are easy, well... Easy... to please? Yeah, it doesn't take much to make me happy. And at this point its a well established fact that you're being an ass. (41 posts to go!)
Huh... whose the ass, the one actually talking about the subject of the thread, or the guy tossing around names for no reason?
For you we'll start easy: when was the last time you placed an offset nut?
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a-e-jones
Oct 25, 2008, 1:09 AM
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i think murfs trying to pass the 1000 post mark by sunday
at the rate hes going i'll bet a new set of nuts that hes gonna do it
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adatesman
Oct 25, 2008, 1:14 AM
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artm
Oct 25, 2008, 1:15 AM
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billcoe_ wrote: Call it 40. BTW, great entertainment value here. My only addition is this: Murf: HealyJ KNOWS those EXACT placements. I've climbed with him and I can assure you 2 things. I often won't remember the rack on routes I've fa'ed the week before and then climbed 10 times to lead my buddies up it...and 2) HealyJ KNOWS exactly where that #9 goes and the way it places. I can assure you that his knowing those placements and how it goes is not something you want to include in the debate. I KNOW little else of course, but it's been fun reading this thread and watching you get your lil panties all bunched up there.....for little apparent reason:-) PS, you're a JT climber eh? If I'm ever down there I'll look you up. Nice hanging around a campfire with folks like you. Not messing with you about that, you look to be a good guy. But the gum flapping works better around a campfire usually! BTW, HealyJ is in LA this week or I'd be inspectin' his nutz, maybe you should do a few laps. He's as safe as you'll find. Take care all Bill
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artm
Oct 25, 2008, 1:17 AM
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a-e-jones wrote: i think murfs trying to pass the 1000 post mark by sunday at the rate hes going i'll bet a new set of nuts that hes gonna do it
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adatesman
Oct 25, 2008, 1:17 AM
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climbinginchico
Oct 25, 2008, 3:01 AM
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The burden of proof in this case actually should fall squarely upon you. But hey you're probably right, all of HB's offsets were out of spec on the #9 and the differing DMM is exactly how Mr. Banner intended the #9 to actually be. Silly me.
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billcoe_
Oct 26, 2008, 2:21 AM
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billcoe_ wrote: PS, you're a JT climber eh? If I'm ever down there I'll look you up. Nice hanging around a campfire with folks like you. Not messing with you about that, you look to be a good guy. But the gum flapping works better around a campfire usually! BTW, HealyJ is in LA this week or I'd be inspectin' his nutz, maybe you should do a few laps. He's as safe as you'll find. Take care all Bill Art M wrote: murf has a stalker?
Not me, (other than reading this site) too busy climbing, I was out today trying to place the offsets as we're looking at the last of the good weather before the winter rains I suspect. I thought I remembered that JT comment from the last extended discussion Murf was in. Could be wrong, but Murf didn't say either way up there and didn't invite JH out climbing either it appears.
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dlintz
Oct 26, 2008, 3:49 AM
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I love this thread....and my DMM offsets.
d.
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glytch
Oct 26, 2008, 6:41 AM
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Bump!!
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sungam
Oct 26, 2008, 7:08 AM
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Possibly the funniest thing said in this thread so far?
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zeke_sf
Oct 27, 2008, 3:47 AM
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billcoe_ wrote: billcoe_ wrote: PS, you're a JT climber eh? If I'm ever down there I'll look you up. Nice hanging around a campfire with folks like you. Not messing with you about that, you look to be a good guy. But the gum flapping works better around a campfire usually! BTW, HealyJ is in LA this week or I'd be inspectin' his nutz, maybe you should do a few laps. He's as safe as you'll find. Take care all Bill Art M wrote: murf has a stalker? Not me, (other than reading this site) too busy climbing, I was out today trying to place the offsets as we're looking at the last of the good weather before the winter rains I suspect. I thought I remembered that JT comment from the last extended discussion Murf was in. Could be wrong, but Murf didn't say either way up there and didn't invite JH out climbing either it appears.
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zeke_sf
Oct 27, 2008, 3:49 AM
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dlintz wrote: I love this thread....and my DMM offsets. d.
Hell yeah!
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donald949
Oct 27, 2008, 12:19 PM
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Regarding the notes of size differences for #9. It appears there could one further explaination. That is the #9 die broke before HB stopped making them, and they had a new #9 die made, which was slightly different size for whatever reason they thought best. Perhaps they saved a couple of $$'s? We already know that DMM had to have a new #10 die made because it was cracked, so this could be the case.
If Chris is not burned out on this topic, perhaps he could take a look at the dies to see if #9 looks newer or different than 7 & 8?
I'm not sure about on line, but one of the climbing shops around here sells them one at a time. They must be buying sets and breaking them up for sale. Sounds fine to me.
Otherwise, I like the looks of these, and think they would be a excellent Christmas present to me.
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rightarmbad
Oct 27, 2008, 1:13 PM
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I have two sets of offsets, both older, one has some nuts epoxied, but most of them are not.
Only when they were new did I have trouble with the nut sliding, once the cables get a little tweaked the problem dissappears.
Makes for easier scary clips.
They both appear to be the same size to me.
The comparison photo is a little hard to really use as the nuts are not aligned as well as the other sizes.
If healy would post up some measurements, I would love to compare with mine.
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