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cracklover wrote: Thanks for outing yourself as being totally ignorant on the subject. It's always tricky to know, at first, who to believe. But you just threw yourself wholeheartedly into the "crackpot" column. Cheers! GO
Worst ad hominem attack I've seen in a while.
I'm sure you didn't already have an opinion on the subject. Nice try, but transparent attempt to discredit me. Solar warming is a real phenonemon that is overlooked in these models.
So NASA isn't a good source now? Did they fake the moon landing too? Who do you consider reputable?
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dynosore wrote: cracklover wrote: Thanks for outing yourself as being totally ignorant on the subject. It's always tricky to know, at first, who to believe. But you just threw yourself wholeheartedly into the "crackpot" column. Cheers! GO Worst ad hominem attack I've seen in a while. I'm sure you didn't already have an opinion on the subject. Nice try, but transparent attempt to discredit me. Solar warming is a real phenonemon that is overlooked in these models. So NASA isn't a good source now? Did they fake the moon landing too? Who do you consider reputable?
Oh, no, the source is excellent. It's the conclusions you draw from it that are, um, enlightening.
And no, I'm not trying to discredit you. Not at all. You've done that already. I'm just thanking you!
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Its really easy for people (wealthy mostly) who are uneducated (-MAKES VERY LITTLE SENSE ARTARD) about, and insulated (WTF?) from, the consequences of the trait (WHAT TRAIT?) of our society to externalize costs not experienced personally ('corporately') to deny the role and sensitivity of the organisms and processes that make our lives and industries possible, or that maintaining those systems Must be a priority, that its just another relative truth. Makes it easy to get bent out of shape over trivial actions that have no material effect in the world while ignoring all the things that really do cause harm. Learn a bit about the struggles of the disenfranchised, worldwide, and you'll learn why the ideals we attach to all of our monuments are a fucking joke, and, very likely, what pollution is and why actions like this that force discussions are dare I say patriotic and humanitarian.
What the hell does this say? Honestly, I got tired of trying to figure it out after the first couple lines. Did your last paragraph say I should learn about the struggles for the right to vote so I can find out about monuments and pollution? "Monuments- structures that signify something happened in a place in the past with a social group. -big deal.
Cut the pseudo-intellectual bullshit. It looks like both of your personalities are trying to talk at the same time and you can't finish a thought. Better yet, why don't YOU get an education and learn how to write so people can understand what you're trying to fucking say. We all feel dumber because of you...for this I award you no points and God have mercy on your soul.
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veganclimber wrote: bobbj22 wrote: How stupid...even though it made yahoos top stories (as did Numa Numa- which had a monumental impact), the earth's ecosystems are elastic. Humans are but a scratch on the earth. In reply to: If we can't accurately predict the weather for tomorrow, how the hell do we expect to predict what it will be in 100+ years? By the way, some "scientific observations" tend to believe on average the Earth will rise only a few degrees in 50-100 years. Only a few degrees? You say that like its not a big deal. First off, this heating will not be uniform. The temperature in some places will rise significantly, other won't be affected so much. Second, if you don't think a couple of degrees can make much of a difference, read this: http://www.nytimes.com/....html?pagewanted=all In reply to: The thousands of glaciers studded across 1,500 miles of the Himalayas make up the savings account of South Asia’s water supply, feeding more than a dozen major rivers and sustaining a billion people downstream. Their apparent retreat threatens to bear heavily on everything from the region’s drinking water supply to agricultural production to disease and floods. In reply to: Even the Himalayas have grown measurably warmer. A recent study found that mean air temperature in the northwestern Himalayan range had risen by 2.2 degrees Celsius in the last two decades, a rate considerably higher than the rate of increase over the last 100 years.
Yikes, if we're not careful the mean temperature in the Himilayas might get over freezing. And we all know humans can't survive in 40F weather 
Your glacier comments don't make sense either. I'm thinking out loud here so correct me if I'm wrong. In a steady state system (which you seem to favor) where the glaciers are neither advancing nor retreating, the amount of water the valleys downstream would receive would equal the annual precipitation in the watershed. If the glaciers melt, you will have higher than average flow for a while, then go back to an equilibrium once the glaciers are gone. They'll build more reservoirs for water instead of counting on the glaciers to act as the flow regulator. Another non-problem easily fixed.
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dynosore
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cracklover wrote: dynosore wrote: cracklover wrote: Thanks for outing yourself as being totally ignorant on the subject. It's always tricky to know, at first, who to believe. But you just threw yourself wholeheartedly into the "crackpot" column. Cheers! GO Worst ad hominem attack I've seen in a while. I'm sure you didn't already have an opinion on the subject. Nice try, but transparent attempt to discredit me. Solar warming is a real phenonemon that is overlooked in these models. So NASA isn't a good source now? Did they fake the moon landing too? Who do you consider reputable? Oh, no, the source is excellent. It's the conclusions you draw from it that are, um, enlightening. And no, I'm not trying to discredit you. Not at all. You've done that already. I'm just thanking you! GO
What are your conclusions? GW proponents missed the boat and have excluded a major cause of warming from their infallible models. If you have anything worth saying, facts, conclusions, speak up. Otherwise this will be my last response to your lame personal attacks. Here's your big chance to prove me wrong and show me your superior scientific acumen, have at it.
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i htink they are doing a crazy horse one as well
http://www.crazyhorsememorial.org/
i dont get it
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bobbj22
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In reply to: bobbj22 wrote:How stupid...even though it made yahoos top stories (as did Numa Numa- which had a monumental impact), the earth's ecosystems are elastic. Humans are but a scratch on the earth. http://www.newscientist.com/...-new-geological.html
um, this is a blog and the "Nobel winning scientist" -just like Gore, recieved his award for doing something that has not shown a single bit of reliability or usefulness...mere theory
In reply to: Only a few degrees? You say that like its not a big deal. First off, this heating will not be uniform. The temperature in some places will rise significantly, other won't be affected so much. Second, if you don't think a couple of degrees can make much of a difference, read this: http://www.nytimes.com/....html?pagewanted=all
Have you ever thought how long it would take to melt a significant amount of glacial ice? May as well wait for the sky to fall while you're at it. Did you miss the quotation marks beside scientific observations? We are relying on too little information to make any accurate statement...honestly I don't care if it is warming or cooling.
More importantly, if you compared the changes the earth faced in the past with global warming's 1-3% increase then you would see just how little GW matters. Also, the Earth is a completely contained environment with the exception being sunlight. It can flex and vary to maintain itself. The world didn't evaporate when the ice age ended. Where do you think all the ice went dummy?
Also, I am a normal person and could care less about whether the pandas fuck or any other dumb shit that goes against natural selection. Watch Idiocracy- seatbelts don't favor natural selection keep the stupid people alive and stupid people have lots of kids while smart people plan for children, generally having fewer. Why do you think there are so many ass-clowns?
I take joy knowing you're gritting your teeth.
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rock_fencer wrote: i htink they are doing a crazy horse one as well http://www.crazyhorsememorial.org/ i dont get it
I'm right there with you.
Memorials, fine: build a building, paint a mural, plant a tree, whatever... But STOP blasting away entire rock faces into choss piles!!!?!?!?!!!
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dynosore wrote: cracklover wrote: dynosore wrote: cracklover wrote: Thanks for outing yourself as being totally ignorant on the subject. It's always tricky to know, at first, who to believe. But you just threw yourself wholeheartedly into the "crackpot" column. Cheers! GO Worst ad hominem attack I've seen in a while. I'm sure you didn't already have an opinion on the subject. Nice try, but transparent attempt to discredit me. Solar warming is a real phenonemon that is overlooked in these models. So NASA isn't a good source now? Did they fake the moon landing too? Who do you consider reputable? Oh, no, the source is excellent. It's the conclusions you draw from it that are, um, enlightening. And no, I'm not trying to discredit you. Not at all. You've done that already. I'm just thanking you! GO What are your conclusions? GW proponents missed the boat and have excluded a major cause of warming from their infallible models. If you have anything worth saying, facts, conclusions, speak up. Otherwise this will be my last response to your lame personal attacks. Here's your big chance to prove me wrong and show me your superior scientific acumen, have at it.
My conclusions from that article?
1 - A project named the Solar Radiation and Climate Experiment (SORCE) put a satellite into orbit.
2 - This program is funded by NASA, and run from CU Boulder. Its $88 million was scheduled to run out, but in August of 2007 it got another $18 million to keep running.
3 - The satellite measures solar radiation, and is used to generate data that can be used to test theories on a wide range of subjects related to how external solar forcing effects global circulation patterns.
4 - There is an 11 year cycle in solar activity. The last one peaked in 2002 (before the start of the project), so researchers are excited to be able to see data as the next one approaches (the peak will be in 2012).
5 - The last peak in solar forcing had an overall modest (0.2 degree) affect globally, but in some areas had a much higher affect (0.7 degrees).
6 - While these solar cycles produce a relatively small effect in overall temperatures (relative to activities like volcanic eruptions, weather patterns like El Nino and La Nina, and human emissions of greenhouse gasses) they can have significant effects on circulation and weather patterns.
7 - Data on these solar cycles also help refine theories related to predicting the severity of solar storms.
Does that help? Nowhere in the article does it suggest that something new was just discovered that throws all the climate change models out the window.
The fact that you so fundamentally misread the article suggests that either you don't know the difference between weather and climate, or you just don't realize that the solar cycle being studied is already part of the models. That's why they're studying it!
I particularly like this statement of yours:
In reply to: Solar warming is a real phenonemon that is overlooked in these models.
My god, you're right! Somebody go tell the scientists to include the sun in their models! I bet none of them thought to do that!
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thanks for posting this.
That stupid banner should be ripped down and burned. Those stupid chicken littles running around bitching about the the damn climate should go get a job (from a capitalist) and shut their stupid vegetarian mouths. It's disgraceful to deface a national monument and yet the rest of us Americans just tolerate these fuck stains.
I wish the 10th Mountain Diversion could have intercepted these shit head, anti-war pussies before they even roped up and stomped their environmentalist guts out.
Do us a favor; next time one of you see some stupid, unshowered, bohemian, with a Che Guevara t-shirt on....kick him.
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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote: WyoCrackLover wrote: asellers98 wrote: Access issues will not be seen directly. My paintball example fits the bill best. But I reverse that challenge on you, and wanted anyone to present a positive result for this event? What good came of this for correcting Global Warming. And getting the word out is not an acceptable answer since everyone knows about global warming already. They may not understand it, or argue about it, but we all have heard about it. I didn't hear anything positive coming out of this event, so prove me wrong! As far as the desecration, I am thinking I used to harsh of a word. Because its existence as you pointed out is definitely a desecration. I didn't think about the land being the indian burial grounds before the construction. What America did to the Indians appauls me. The Indians have a nice healthy view of our planet, and the way they treated it in most cases was an example to be followed. Couldn't agree more... NOTHING positive will result from this event. However, your opinions on American Indian values and their treatment of the Earth could open up debatable subject matter all on its own... Positives - more money will be given to Greenpease. Also could be classified as a negative. Other potential positives, some people here could gain a better understanding of Aboriginal american activities. Or at least better than they got from elementary school books. Read "1491" to learn. Interesting tidbit: Just south of MTR in Nebraska is the Hudson-Meng bone beds where 10,000 year old 8 foot tall prehistoric bison were slaughtered en mass. This is one of the key sights in the theory that human hunting in NA directly caused the extinction of the megafauna 9,500 years ago. Humans are humans.... edit:and bad spellers are bad spellers
Another interesting tidbit to help those here learn about "Aboriginal American activities": There is no archaeological evidence that American Indians ever assembled at Devils Tower. None... Nada. Yet the Climbing Management Plan implemented a voluntary climbing closure out of respect for "Native" American cultural history.
In addition, when visiting either Devils Tower or Mt. Rushmore, note the bright red, blue, pink and yellow prayer cloths and prayer bundles hanging from the trees. Traditional (historical) offerings were supposed to be "earth tones" to blend in with the environment... not scream "LOOK AT ME!"
Uh oh... I may be in trouble here.
Guess I'll head out the door... climbing in Rushmore all weekend...
Adios.
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bobbj22 wrote: Also, I am a normal person and could care less about whether the pandas fuck or any other dumb shit that goes against natural selection. Watch Idiocracy- seatbelts don't favor natural selection keep the stupid people alive and stupid people have lots of kids while smart people plan for children, generally having fewer. Why do you think there are so many ass-clowns?
Because your parents didn't use protection.
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raymondjeffrey wrote: thanks for posting this. That stupid banner should be ripped down and burned. Those stupid chicken littles running around bitching about the the damn climate should go get a job (from a capitalist) and shut their stupid vegetarian mouths. It's disgraceful to deface a national monument and yet the rest of us Americans just tolerate these fuck stains. I wish the 10th Mountain Diversion could have intercepted these shit head, anti-war pussies before they even roped up and stomped their environmentalist guts out. Do us a favor; next time one of you see some stupid, unshowered, bohemian, with a Che Guevara t-shirt on....kick him. jefro
I just want you to know that I am trying very hard to be offended by this. You clearly had to sniff a shit load of glue to give it that authentic 'brain-damaged' feel. I admire that level of sacrifice and commitment, which I think should be rewarded with some sort of enraged response, but it's just too damn cliché and I can't manage. All I can do is give it a little bump and hope that someone else can take it seriously in my place.
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kriso9tails wrote: raymondjeffrey wrote: thanks for posting this. That stupid banner should be ripped down and burned. Those stupid chicken littles running around bitching about the the damn climate should go get a job (from a capitalist) and shut their stupid vegetarian mouths. It's disgraceful to deface a national monument and yet the rest of us Americans just tolerate these fuck stains. I wish the 10th Mountain Diversion could have intercepted these shit head, anti-war pussies before they even roped up and stomped their environmentalist guts out. Do us a favor; next time one of you see some stupid, unshowered, bohemian, with a Che Guevara t-shirt on....kick him. jefro I just want you to know that I am trying very hard to be offended by this. You clearly had to sniff a shit load of glue to give it that authentic 'brain-damaged' feel. I admire that level of sacrifice and commitment, which I think should be rewarded with some sort of enraged response, but it's just too damn cliché and I can't manage. All I can do is give it a little bump and hope that someone else can take it seriously in my place.
Hey, Arizona went for McCain - Palin. Obviously, you can't expect too much from some of us.
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I'm gunna keep my response brief, and I'm not going to read anything but the first page.
Losinghand, strong werke. I admire someone who is willing to risk prosecution for something he believes in by demonstrating it in a non-violent and non-destructive way.
Josephdawson, you're a moron with out of date facts and statistics. Not only that, but you come across as one of those paranoid idiots that thinks the "government" is behind everything. As for the facts comment - too ironic, you must be a troll.
Aseller98 - Desecration? Seriously? What damage was done, and is a bunch of faces carved into some rock really that important? (personally I think the whole mount rushmore thing is a fucking retarded "My dick can carve rocks better then yours" waste of resources).
Mounter - fuckin' eh, but don't forget that without real mayple syrup, making them from scratch is a waste of time. Unless you're a lemon and sugar or a nuetella kind of guy.
And Klamhead is rite, too much BS for a proper discussion to go down.
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WyoCrackLover wrote: Toast_in_the_Machine wrote: WyoCrackLover wrote: asellers98 wrote: Access issues will not be seen directly. My paintball example fits the bill best. But I reverse that challenge on you, and wanted anyone to present a positive result for this event? What good came of this for correcting Global Warming. And getting the word out is not an acceptable answer since everyone knows about global warming already. They may not understand it, or argue about it, but we all have heard about it. I didn't hear anything positive coming out of this event, so prove me wrong! As far as the desecration, I am thinking I used to harsh of a word. Because its existence as you pointed out is definitely a desecration. I didn't think about the land being the indian burial grounds before the construction. What America did to the Indians appauls me. The Indians have a nice healthy view of our planet, and the way they treated it in most cases was an example to be followed. Couldn't agree more... NOTHING positive will result from this event. However, your opinions on American Indian values and their treatment of the Earth could open up debatable subject matter all on its own... Positives - more money will be given to Greenpease. Also could be classified as a negative. Other potential positives, some people here could gain a better understanding of Aboriginal american activities. Or at least better than they got from elementary school books. Read "1491" to learn. Interesting tidbit: Just south of MTR in Nebraska is the Hudson-Meng bone beds where 10,000 year old 8 foot tall prehistoric bison were slaughtered en mass. This is one of the key sights in the theory that human hunting in NA directly caused the extinction of the megafauna 9,500 years ago. Humans are humans.... edit:and bad spellers are bad spellers Another interesting tidbit to help those here learn about "Aboriginal American activities": There is no archaeological evidence that American Indians ever assembled at Devils Tower. None... Nada. Yet the Climbing Management Plan implemented a voluntary climbing closure out of respect for "Native" American cultural history. In addition, when visiting either Devils Tower or Mt. Rushmore, note the bright red, blue, pink and yellow prayer cloths and prayer bundles hanging from the trees. Traditional (historical) offerings were supposed to be "earth tones" to blend in with the environment... not scream "LOOK AT ME!" Uh oh... I may be in trouble here. Guess I'll head out the door... climbing in Rushmore all weekend... Adios.
Was at Rushmore last week, didn't notice them.
Did snap this sign:
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I really can't get worked up either. However, I need to send this where it belongs (to help my green percent).
raymondjeffrey wrote: thanks for posting this. That stupid banner should be ripped down and burned. Those stupid chicken littles running around bitching about the the damn climate should go get a job (from a capitalist) and shut their stupid vegetarian mouths. It's disgraceful to deface a national monument and yet the rest of us Americans just tolerate these fuck stains.
See my comments above about this national "monument". Rushmore is a f*cking joke. Trust me. I've been there. More recently than you. And you know what is un-f*cking American? They only accept cash for parking. Cash?!?!?! Like who plans $10 for parking at a federal location? You can pay your taxes with a credit card for freak sake.
And the signs around it suck to direct you towards it.
Oh. I'm sorry. I forgot to assume that you had done more than just see it on TV.
raymondjeffrey wrote: I wish the 10th Mountain Diversion could have intercepted these shit head, anti-war pussies before they even roped up and stomped their environmentalist guts out.
Gotta go here. You mean that you think that federal employees should waste taxpayer dollars? Isn't the 10th MD on the dole? Oh. That's right, you meant the Basij militia which is being payed by your oil money.
raymondjeffrey wrote: Do us a favor; next time one of you see some stupid, unshowered, bohemian, with a Che Guevara t-shirt on....kick him. jefro
Actually, I'm OK with that. After all, Che was an Argentinean.
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Wow you guys can complain about anything. In the grand scheme of things how does this affect anyone? Doesn't effect me, I haven't heard a thing about it. So you got a few nut jobs who decided to put up a banner it doesnt matter.
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curt wrote: bobbj22 wrote: Also, I am a normal person and could care less about whether the pandas fuck or any other dumb shit that goes against natural selection. Watch Idiocracy- seatbelts don't favor natural selection keep the stupid people alive and stupid people have lots of kids while smart people plan for children, generally having fewer. Why do you think there are so many ass-clowns? Because your parents didn't use protection. Curt
Trophy!
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curt wrote: bobbj22 wrote: Also, I am a normal person and could care less about whether the pandas fuck or any other dumb shit that goes against natural selection. Watch Idiocracy- seatbelts don't favor natural selection keep the stupid people alive and stupid people have lots of kids while smart people plan for children, generally having fewer. Why do you think there are so many ass-clowns? Because your parents didn't use protection. Curt
from xkcd.com
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JasonsDrivingForce wrote: I would also make them live in a tent at the base of the monument and leave absolutely zero carbon footprint for that year. Practice what you preach! Then I will listen.
I've got a feeling that you don't know what a carbon footprint is.
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