Hoping he wouldn't notice.


So.....how long does it take him to update his bio after every class? I mean, if it were me....I'd put something like "over 58,000 people" rather than an exact number.



Of course, he might just like reading his bio over & over again.

Like many of you I have never heard of Jim Ebert either, but I do not know everyone that has been climbing over the past 50 years. That does not mean he does not have a life time of adventures or is more than a top rope climber. In 1940 no one toped roped anyway. http://www.alpenglowadventures.org/ourteam.htm, in the future you should check out the person before you step into what you don’t know what you are talking about.

in the future you should check out the person before you step into what you don’t know what you are talking about.

You'd think by day 3 the death rate would begin to decline.... simple supply and demand!

DMT

15. Jim is one of America's most experienced outdoor educators. Jim has been involved with the instructing, training and guiding of over 62,100 clients on as many as 1820 10-day mountaineering camps

I would suggest that you do a little more reading about the The Iowa Mountaineers ( http://iowamountaineers.tripod.com/) and Idaho, a climbing guide: climbs, scrambles, and hikes By Tom Lopez; it looks like the Ebert family had some pretty good company, unless you think Paul Petzoldt is a fraud also.

The difference is that Petzoldt was actually a real climber.

Curt

http://topropecourse.tripod.com/...r_qualifications.htm

funny

Are you sure you're not Jim Ebert?

Curt

Like many of you I have never heard of Jim Ebert either, but I do not know everyone that has been climbing over the past 50 years. That does not mean he does not have a life time of adventures or is more than a top rope climber. In 1940 no one toped roped anyway. http://www.alpenglowadventures.org/ourteam.htm, in the future you should check out the person before you step into what you don’t know what you are talking about.

For people that do not know there climbing history,

Paul Kiesow Petzoldt (January 16, 1908 – October 6, 1999) was one of America's most accomplished mountaineers. He is perhaps best known for establishing the National Outdoor Leadership School in 1965. In 1938 Paul Petzoldt was a member of the first American team to attempt a climb on K2 and made his first ascent of the Grand Teton in 1924 at the age of 16. He and a partner were possibly the first climbers ever to traverse the Matterhorn twice in one day. During World War II Petzoldt served in the U.S. Army's 10th Mountain Division.[1]

Petzoldt's other accomplishments in the outdoors are also considered major advances among wilderness enthusiasts. Before the establishment of NOLS, he had a hand in creating a Colorado addition to the Outward Bound program as well as the first guide service in the Tetons. Noted in his introduction to The New Wilderness Handbook, his experience in NOLS, Outward Bound and love of the wilderness, evolved into the Wilderness Education Association. WEA courses, certification and knowledge are still helping many advocates of the environment learn ways to have low-impact adventures in the environment.

Here's my problem:

"For many years, Jim instructed from 5,500 to 6,300 University of
Iowa students who participated on his training courses that were taught at Devil’s Lake State Park, Wisconsin, USA."

Based upon the lower number of participants, he'd have to teach a group of 15 every day of the year. We're talking about Wisconsin, not southern California. These are University of Iowa students, and Google Maps lists the drive at nearly 4 hours each way to Devil's Lake State Park. Mr. Ebert may be a fantastic human being, but it would be kind to say I find his numbers suspect.

Thing is....if that was the ONLY number he had, nobody would blink an eye. That one sounds reasonable. Look at the math I did....and that's just ONE of many stats he gives. Key to being a good liar is to make the lie sound plausible. He fails.