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dugl33
Jun 8, 2010, 2:16 PM
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You might also consider concrete form stakes. A 3' stake driven 2+ feet in the ground is going to be pretty burly. They are thick and the point is already tapered. Paint the top with flourescent paint -- good to go.
Drive it straight in with a heavy sledge, and tie off the base with a clove hitch.
http://www.capcityequipment.com/cplacement0099.html
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benbeard
Jun 8, 2010, 2:29 PM
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maybe using a rebar stake with a blade attached along the stake?
I would check out some of the snow anchor options to back up your rebar. I'm sure the rebar works fine, but maybe back it up with one of the snow anchor options that are out there.
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shockabuku
Jun 8, 2010, 3:23 PM
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wonderwoman wrote: angry wrote: wonderwoman wrote: bill413 wrote: If this is U.S., then going to OSHA is certainly an option. You've made your point to your bosses. If they'll accept your proposal, then OK, otherwise I'd seriously consider who would be higher up that can force some safety compliance. It is good that they are allowing you to do what you're doing (not just saying "get on with your job"). What bill413 says. You have the right to ask that OSHA not reveal your identity to your employer. It maybe resolvable without getting them into trouble. If they fix it, then it's not a violation: http://www.osha.gov/...worker/complain.htmlI guess what I meant to say is that this is definitely not in the US or OSHA would have been all over them long ago. Unless there is a filed complaint, OSHA only shows up when someone has been maimed or killed nowadays. Also, if this guy works for the government, he's not covered by OSHA.
Why do think that?
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shockabuku
Jun 8, 2010, 3:25 PM
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Like ice screws.
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wonderwoman
Jun 8, 2010, 4:32 PM
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shockabuku wrote: wonderwoman wrote: angry wrote: wonderwoman wrote: bill413 wrote: If this is U.S., then going to OSHA is certainly an option. You've made your point to your bosses. If they'll accept your proposal, then OK, otherwise I'd seriously consider who would be higher up that can force some safety compliance. It is good that they are allowing you to do what you're doing (not just saying "get on with your job"). What bill413 says. You have the right to ask that OSHA not reveal your identity to your employer. It maybe resolvable without getting them into trouble. If they fix it, then it's not a violation: http://www.osha.gov/...worker/complain.htmlI guess what I meant to say is that this is definitely not in the US or OSHA would have been all over them long ago. Unless there is a filed complaint, OSHA only shows up when someone has been maimed or killed nowadays. Also, if this guy works for the government, he's not covered by OSHA.Why do think that?
http://www.dol.gov/...e/guide/osha.htm#who
The Act does not cover:
* Self-employed persons;
* Farms which employ only immediate members of the farmer's family;
* Working conditions for which other federal agencies, operating under the authority of other federal laws, regulate worker safety. This category includes most working conditions in mining, nuclear energy and nuclear weapons manufacture, and many aspects of the transportation industries; and
* Employees of state and local governments, unless they are in one of the states operating an OSHA-approved state plan.
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shockabuku
Jun 8, 2010, 4:50 PM
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wonderwoman wrote: shockabuku wrote: wonderwoman wrote: angry wrote: wonderwoman wrote: bill413 wrote: If this is U.S., then going to OSHA is certainly an option. You've made your point to your bosses. If they'll accept your proposal, then OK, otherwise I'd seriously consider who would be higher up that can force some safety compliance. It is good that they are allowing you to do what you're doing (not just saying "get on with your job"). What bill413 says. You have the right to ask that OSHA not reveal your identity to your employer. It maybe resolvable without getting them into trouble. If they fix it, then it's not a violation: http://www.osha.gov/...worker/complain.htmlI guess what I meant to say is that this is definitely not in the US or OSHA would have been all over them long ago. Unless there is a filed complaint, OSHA only shows up when someone has been maimed or killed nowadays. Also, if this guy works for the government, he's not covered by OSHA.Why do think that? The Act does not cover: * Self-employed persons; * Farms which employ only immediate members of the farmer's family; * Working conditions for which other federal agencies, operating under the authority of other federal laws, regulate worker safety. This category includes most working conditions in mining, nuclear energy and nuclear weapons manufacture, and many aspects of the transportation industries; and * Employees of state and local governments, unless they are in one of the states operating an OSHA-approved state plan.
Interesting. I work for the federal government (military) and of course we don't see much of OSHA and right now I work in a state government facility and don't see it either but I never really knew why.
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wonderwoman
Jun 8, 2010, 4:52 PM
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shockabuku wrote: wonderwoman wrote: shockabuku wrote: wonderwoman wrote: angry wrote: wonderwoman wrote: bill413 wrote: If this is U.S., then going to OSHA is certainly an option. You've made your point to your bosses. If they'll accept your proposal, then OK, otherwise I'd seriously consider who would be higher up that can force some safety compliance. It is good that they are allowing you to do what you're doing (not just saying "get on with your job"). What bill413 says. You have the right to ask that OSHA not reveal your identity to your employer. It maybe resolvable without getting them into trouble. If they fix it, then it's not a violation: http://www.osha.gov/...worker/complain.htmlI guess what I meant to say is that this is definitely not in the US or OSHA would have been all over them long ago. Unless there is a filed complaint, OSHA only shows up when someone has been maimed or killed nowadays. Also, if this guy works for the government, he's not covered by OSHA.Why do think that? The Act does not cover: * Self-employed persons; * Farms which employ only immediate members of the farmer's family; * Working conditions for which other federal agencies, operating under the authority of other federal laws, regulate worker safety. This category includes most working conditions in mining, nuclear energy and nuclear weapons manufacture, and many aspects of the transportation industries; and * Employees of state and local governments, unless they are in one of the states operating an OSHA-approved state plan. Interesting. I work for the federal government (military) and of course we don't see much of OSHA and right now I work in a state government facility and don't see it either but I never really knew why.
You may live in a state that has extended some OSHA-like protections to public employees. It's been a grassroots effort. The rights were taken away under the Bush administration.
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shockabuku
Jun 8, 2010, 5:29 PM
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wonderwoman wrote: shockabuku wrote: wonderwoman wrote: shockabuku wrote: wonderwoman wrote: angry wrote: wonderwoman wrote: bill413 wrote: If this is U.S., then going to OSHA is certainly an option. You've made your point to your bosses. If they'll accept your proposal, then OK, otherwise I'd seriously consider who would be higher up that can force some safety compliance. It is good that they are allowing you to do what you're doing (not just saying "get on with your job"). What bill413 says. You have the right to ask that OSHA not reveal your identity to your employer. It maybe resolvable without getting them into trouble. If they fix it, then it's not a violation: http://www.osha.gov/...worker/complain.htmlI guess what I meant to say is that this is definitely not in the US or OSHA would have been all over them long ago. Unless there is a filed complaint, OSHA only shows up when someone has been maimed or killed nowadays. Also, if this guy works for the government, he's not covered by OSHA.Why do think that? The Act does not cover: * Self-employed persons; * Farms which employ only immediate members of the farmer's family; * Working conditions for which other federal agencies, operating under the authority of other federal laws, regulate worker safety. This category includes most working conditions in mining, nuclear energy and nuclear weapons manufacture, and many aspects of the transportation industries; and * Employees of state and local governments, unless they are in one of the states operating an OSHA-approved state plan. Interesting. I work for the federal government (military) and of course we don't see much of OSHA and right now I work in a state government facility and don't see it either but I never really knew why. You may live in a state that has extended some OSHA-like protections to public employees. It's been a grassroots effort. The rights were taken away under the Bush administration.
Statements like that confuse me.
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j_ung
Jun 8, 2010, 8:09 PM
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Sho'nuff. 
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benbeard
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http://bolt-products.com/Glue-inBoltDesign.htm
scroll down 20% of the way and look at the "Stakes" section.
Great testing this person did. After looking over it, you could use some angle iron, with the bottom cut to form a point. That looks like a great, cheap, and safe way to do it. You could pound it in with a sledge. Angle iron would be a bit heavier to carry out with you, but from the testing mentioned on the website, you might be able to tie off more than 1 person to the stake. Your call.
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Lazlo
Jun 15, 2010, 4:00 AM
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I don't think it's been asked, but do you need to remove your anchor, or is it permanent?
You could always do a "T slot" aka "Deadman" anchor.
If all I had was soil, and I had a ton of time; my anchor of choice would be a buried snow picket. Attach to it via cable.
Edit; or for simplicity; just buy a snow fluke
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mach2
Jun 15, 2010, 7:11 AM
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I second something like this:
http://www.lowes.com/pd_292564-25-AK4_4294936085_?productId=3169581&Ntt=anchor&Ntk=i_products&pl=1¤tURL=/pl_Lawn%2B_4294936085__s?Ntk=i_products$Ntt=anchor
I have also done the rebar thing for slacklines and it worked just fine with 3/4" rebar pounded into dirt a couple of feet.
If it came down to it I would find similar soil conditions and set up to of these anchors opposing one another, put a cable hoist winch and runner in between. Then I pull until something fails.
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Davey
Jun 15, 2010, 10:32 PM
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This is a really good way to do it! SAR teams have been using this for years. It's kinda allot of gear but if you have a ATV not really a big deal.
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hugepedro
Jun 15, 2010, 11:13 PM
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Kinda like ice screws.
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dcfdrescue2
Jun 16, 2010, 8:30 PM
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I've broken a few of the screw in anchors during pull testing, but the arrowheads have always held.
http://www.americanea.com/products.php?cat=55
I've used them mostly for stabilizing overturned vehicles, but have always envisioned them for just the type of scenario the OP was talking about.
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majid_sabet
Jun 16, 2010, 9:07 PM
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Davey wrote: This is a really good way to do it! SAR teams have been using this for years. It's kinda allot of gear but if you have a ATV not really a big deal.
standard practice within the fire dept rescue system 1 training in USA. I think originally came from the military and works well when assembled right. if I could recall, you need to go min 2 feet deep and use 4 or something like that. you tension tie the front to back with another cord and you twist the cord with another stick to pull slack out.
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