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kane_schutzman
Jul 17, 2010, 12:39 AM
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Right,
So who is definitely purchasing oneand writing up a review? Anyone?
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j_ung
Jul 17, 2010, 12:42 PM
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kane_schutzman wrote: Right, So who is definitely purchasing oneand writing up a review? Anyone?
Once I get my next paycheck, I think I may go ahead and buy a couple.
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acorneau
Jul 17, 2010, 12:45 PM
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There are several of you that want to try them out. Why not pool together, buy a full set to get the free shipping, and then divide out the cams once in the states.
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j_ung
Jul 17, 2010, 12:57 PM
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Sure, I'm game. Paypal the dough to one person, plus domestic shipping. The international will be free. I can't do anything until August, though.
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mheyman
Jul 17, 2010, 2:40 PM
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adatesman wrote: Let's take this picture:
Thanks Aric. If I can get a TIFF viewer to work I'll read the whole thing.
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adatesman
Jul 17, 2010, 2:56 PM
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mheyman
Jul 17, 2010, 3:40 PM
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billcoe_ wrote: The huge issue I see, is what made Aliens so great was that the head was soft and would flop easily to any direction where a placement was good. Wild Country Zeros have that function
That is as much a liability as strength. It makes them harder to place and at least in small sizes like Zeros more likely to get stuck.
patto wrote: How many cams do you know can do this? ...These cams have capabilities that no other cam has.
Place them using only two cams? If you do this the strength is halved and you can do this with most traditional four cam units. (I would not consider Link Cams traditional.)
Place them in flairs? I think we need to fully understand the camming angle, application of force and the tradeoffs these entail before we consider this true and entirely beneficial. Totem certainly hasn’t explained much on their web site.
That said I’ll volunteer to order the full set if and take one if the others pay up front including about $5 for packing and reshipping (unless they are local).
For $80 -I'll wait. And I'm a serious gear whore."" These are mutually exclusive statements!
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Bolter
Jul 17, 2010, 9:00 PM
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In reply to: You could sell off a couple of those titanium nut tools or one of your 19 hammers and try one out. As an aside, I see this is the first cam since the cch patent expired to use the internal cam springs.
Wrong on the springs. They are like the C3s.
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adatesman
Jul 17, 2010, 9:04 PM
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Bolter
Jul 17, 2010, 9:28 PM
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I can take a picture of ANY cam just like that. Lay it on the side and hold it from the bottom. Just like this picture.
For Totum to proof it, send it to Aric and pull it.
patto wrote: How many cams do you know can do this? [image]http://www.totemcams.com/files/galeria/images/UniqueCapabilities/30flaredWeb.JPG[/image] Or this? [image]http://www.totemcams.com/files/galeria/images/UniqueCapabilities/2EspekaWeb.JPG[/image] These cams have capabilities that no other cam has. I'm not sure how beneficial these capabilities are to regular climbing but I think this is some I'll find out by climbing with them. I love my Wild Country Zeros but I don't see them as even comparable. |
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Khoi
Jul 17, 2010, 9:32 PM
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adatesman wrote: Bolter wrote: In reply to: You could sell off a couple of those titanium nut tools or one of your 19 hammers and try one out. As an aside, I see this is the first cam since the cch patent expired to use the internal cam springs. Wrong on the springs. They are like the C3s. Huh. I wonder if it'll infringe on one of BD's C3 patents? I can't see BD letting that fly for long...
Then we should order a set ASAP! 
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patto
Jul 18, 2010, 12:18 AM
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adatesman wrote: FWIW, Splittercams (both the newer Trango ones and the original SG 2cams and 4cams) can do the 2nd picture.
mheyman wrote: Place them using only two cams? If you do this the strength is halved and you can do this with most traditional four cam units.
True. But I would readily trust these babies in two cam mode over any other cam. The other ones its impossible to align the force in the correct direction (along the plane of the cam lobes). The camming action is compromised.
mheyman wrote: Place them in flairs? I think we need to fully understand the camming angle, application of force and the tradeoffs these entail before we consider this true and entirely beneficial. Totem certainly hasn’t explained much on their web site.
Very true. I'm not going to take whippers on 40degree flairs on the first day i get these. Alot of playing is needed. As far as the forces go these can be calculated by the angle between the contact point and the cable attachment. 7 degrees (as opposed to 13-16) means a doubling of the forces. Mild flares would be ok, severe flares if it holds then you might get deformation and failure at low fall loads.
Bolter wrote: Wrong on the springs. They are like the C3s.
EDIT: I agree.
Anyway, like most here I think can agree, hands on use is necessary to understand the real world capabilities of these. I'm excited by I can't guarantee that these wont be another ultra niche product with few real advantages.
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Bolter
Jul 18, 2010, 1:50 AM
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Looking at the wrong springs????
Those four are the only visible. Patto, are these cams hollow and have hidden internal springs.
Looking at the pictures, drawings, and patent.... those are all the springs.
How many springs and wires does this cam need????
I don't see there being a quick fix when a wire gets snagged or broken much less a good repair.
Patto, are you in Spain working for Totem??
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patto
Jul 18, 2010, 4:52 AM
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Bolter wrote: Looking at the wrong springs????
Sorry.  I blame the lack of coffee. I ran with the same incorrect assumption caughtinside made which instigated your comment. I have coffee now.
Bolter wrote: I don't see there being a quick fix when a wire gets snagged or broken much less a good repair.
Bolter wrote: Patto, are you in Spain working for Totem??
Are asking me if I am biased? Well maybe. I'm excited and enthusiastic about this design because it truly is different and ground breaking. As I said in my last post it may not be that useful.
(Another totally underrated design i believe is the Metolius SuperCam. It achieves great range with simple study design. I don't like double stems though.)
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norushnomore
Jul 18, 2010, 9:42 AM
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looks like trigger handle is rather very close to the head. Gonna have to go with the very shallow placements
20 degree angle, will be hard to get out.
Aliens were harder to get out with their bigger than average angle, these are going to be the royal pain.
But I think they will complement c3s nicely for larger sizes and same narrow head, something I wanted for a while
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patto
Jul 23, 2010, 11:04 PM
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Totem cams no available for pre-order. Shipping August 9th! 
I'm going to try to scrape some money together.
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mheyman
Jul 25, 2010, 2:55 PM
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suprasoup wrote: So is anyone else interested in splitting a set up? I'd be willing to fork over the cash for one, possibly two of em.
See my post?
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adatesman
Jul 25, 2010, 3:09 PM
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mheyman
Jul 25, 2010, 3:33 PM
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adatesman wrote: mheyman wrote: suprasoup wrote: So is anyone else interested in splitting a set up? I'd be willing to fork over the cash for one, possibly two of em. See my post? Or mine? 
I am certainly willing to send you money if you want to handle it. Heck I'll deliver it along with beer for immediate consumption! Noone has PMed me.
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j_ung
Jul 25, 2010, 5:59 PM
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I need to get another paycheck under me first, then I'll come back to this thread.
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drector
Jul 27, 2010, 8:17 PM
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patto wrote: How many cams do you know can do this? [image]http://www.totemcams.com/files/galeria/images/UniqueCapabilities/30flaredWeb.JPG[/image]
I know of lots. All of my DB, Trango, OP, etc., cams can be photographed inside of a crack like that.
Dave
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