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squierbypetzl
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Oct 11, 2010, 3:55 AM
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In the interest of getting some (real) work done:
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...ng.com_Team_530.html
See Jbone, the problem we have here is failure to communicate effectively. I took the time to respond to let you and everyone else know the two ways to get their rc.com-related qualms resolved. Apparently mods can't censor a users pics, you'll need a photo ed or admint to help you out. Anyone who wishes to do so can either send them a PM or post in Sugg.&Fb. about this issue (which I've already brought up in the management forum, but it's Sunday fer petes sake, no one's around 'xcept me and I'm doing everything I can to keep from writing a report on the implications of changing the colour scheme on a brandname item... See?)
It seems you want others to put in work you refuse to put in yourself, without so much as a please or thank you, which would be the decent thing to do and really works wonders when it comes to asking others to do what you ask. And if you had sent an editor the link with an explanation, the pic would probably be down by now, probably with just a fraction of the views it has now. Just food for thought.
(This post was edited by squierbypetzl on Oct 11, 2010, 4:02 AM)
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jbone
Oct 11, 2010, 6:01 AM
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squierbypetzl wrote: It seems you want others to put in work you refuse to put in yourself, without so much as a please or thank you, which would be the decent thing to do and really works wonders when it comes to asking others to do what you ask. And if you had sent an editor the link with an explanation, the pic would probably be down by now, probably with just a fraction of the views it has now. Just food for thought.
Your doing pretty good till you added in that part.
My position on this particular debate is that the User is right in speaking out against climbing in this area here because we knowingly post pictures of climbing on these rocks even though it is a closed area.
I chose to represent this position mainly because I was so embarrassed by other climbers reactions I needed to make it a point that not all climbers treat issues like they have this one. I saw climbers coming across as indignant, ego driven, and selfish and despite the way the OP came across he still has a valid point.
The work I offered put into this is the counterpoints I made available here in this thread.
Now with your last paragraph it appears you wish to delegate responsibility of any sort of correction of the issue to myself and others. It also appears you are quite frustrated with the amount of work you have put into this issue on your end so your validating your delegating as a result.
IMO It should be RC.com policy not to post images of climbers climbing on rocks that are closed to climbing, as it serves to promote climbing in these area's which threatens access to all climbing area's.
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marc801
Oct 11, 2010, 6:15 AM
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jbone wrote: squierbypetzl wrote: It seems you want others to put in work you refuse to put in yourself, without so much as a please or thank you, which would be the decent thing to do and really works wonders when it comes to asking others to do what you ask. And if you had sent an editor the link with an explanation, the pic would probably be down by now, probably with just a fraction of the views it has now. Just food for thought. Your doing pretty good till you added in that part. My position on this particular debate is that the User is right in speaking out against climbing in this area here because we knowingly post pictures of climbing on these rocks even though it is a closed area. I chose to represent this position mainly because I was so embarrassed by other climbers reactions I needed to make it a point that not all climbers treat issues like they have this one. I saw climbers coming across as indignant, ego driven, and selfish and despite the way the OP came across he still has a valid point. The work I offered put into this is the counterpoints I made available here in this thread. Now with your last paragraph it appears you wish to delegate responsibility of any sort of correction of the issue to myself and others. It also appears you are quite frustrated with the amount of work you have put into this issue on your end so your validating your delegating as a result. IMO It should be RC.com policy not to post images of climbers climbing on rocks that are closed to climbing, as it serves to promote climbing in these area's which threatens access to all climbing area's.
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squierbypetzl
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Oct 11, 2010, 2:52 PM
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jbone wrote: I chose to represent this position mainly because I was so embarrassed by other climbers reactions I needed to make it a point that not all climbers treat issues like they have this one. I saw climbers coming across as indignant, ego driven, and selfish and despite the way the OP came across he still has a valid point.
I see your point, though I do not agree with that perception or that most climbers on this site do not care about the environment/ecosystem/law enough to stop visiting an area where climbing is prohibited. I still think that, in terms of economy of time and effort, this issue could have been resolved far more easily in a different fashion.
jbone wrote: Now with your last paragraph it appears you wish to delegate responsibility of any sort of correction of the issue to myself and others. It also appears you are quite frustrated with the amount of work you have put into this issue on your end so your validating your delegating as a result.
Not at all, but really let's be honest, wouldn't it be easier to write up a PM whenever someone comes across a violation than to have this team of volunteers go through every single pic on every single users profile? Not only is it impractical, it's not going to work because we few moderators don't know what every single boulder at every single park closed to climbing looks like. Certainly, we could block people from uploading pics tagged as being taken in X location, but even then there are variables to take into account (what if the area was open at the time of the picture? What if the climber had special permission? etc. etc.).
jbone wrote: IMO It should be RC.com policy not to post images of climbers climbing on rocks that are closed to climbing, as it serves to promote climbing in these area's which threatens access to all climbing area's.
You make an interesting point and this topic is currently being discussed in by the powers that be. Thanks for your input into making RC.com a better site for the rockclimbing community.
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Toast_in_the_Machine
Oct 11, 2010, 3:59 PM
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A few notes, the location clearly states why the area is closed including listing the endangerd plant which grows around those rocks. A little google will turn up details of the plant including notes on why deer hunting is advised.
The OP was correct in that a plant wiith three known locations needs and depends on volunteers protecting the plants. However, the "tough guy" tone in the OP and follow up posts does not help. Adding that persons disturbing endangered plants could be at risk of fines in the 25k-50k range is helpful for people to understand the severity of climbing in this area.
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dingus
Oct 11, 2010, 4:08 PM
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Did the OP state her name? I only read the first post - the subsequent rants were of zero interest or credibility.
DMT
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Toast_in_the_Machine
Oct 11, 2010, 4:17 PM
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No mention of name or gender from the OP. Although the account did log on after the "I'm otta here" post.
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jamatt
Oct 11, 2010, 9:46 PM
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i think this whole thread is really sad. it starts with a guy who cares about the outdoors enough to volunteer at a preserve. this should be enough to form some sort of commonality with any outdoor enthusiast.
granted, he's got some issues with how he approaches issues, but even in my LNTME course, which was full of intelligent, critical thinking folk, a large amount of time was dedicated to learning how to use the authority of the resource. the OP needs to read the article i linked earlier in this thread and he'll be fine.
but after reading this thread, the rest of us, especially those who stereotype hunters... well, i just don't know.
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