If you are climbing on the rocks and see someone taking your picture expect the worse.

So, does anybody here know anything about this Stevens Creek area? Is it private property, a nature conservancy, historical area?

In recent years security at Stevens Creek Natural Area has greatly increased with volunteers like myself. Anyone caught climbing on the rocks will face fines and charges. If you are climbing on the rocks and see someone taking your picture expect the worse.

In recent years security at Stevens Creek Natural Area has greatly increased with volunteers like myself. Anyone caught climbing on the rocks will face fines and charges. If you are climbing on the rocks and see someone taking your picture expect the worse.

Do you actually have a shirt that says "I AM A DOUCHE BAG", or do you just expect people to know?

on second thought, the DNR website says you can hunt there so fuck it, go climb, its mostly boulders i think seeing as how its on the coast.

All you internet tough guys!

Have a little respect for what brings you so much joy on the weekends. I imagine 99.9% of you follow the rules. Those of you who responded to this post probally could care less for the plants and animals. Not going to let something so petty stand in your way of making it to the top, right.

This posting is in response to anthony130's photo of him climbing a rock that is off limits to climbing. It is like rubbing salt in an open wound. No, I cant make an arrest. I can photograph the climber and the climbers plates and turn them over to authorities.

I personally have never seen anyone climbing the rock, but others have. There are rare plants and animals that call those rocks home. Have a little respect and share a little. There are many more people who enjoy those plants and animals than people who enjoy climbing. In the end we will win and it will put a stain on rock climbing in general.

I guess you responders are just to tough to be told what to do, to follow the rules. I guess to "man up" goes for all of us. Believe me, I would have no problem confronting any of you face to face on this issue.

In situations like this, one has the choice of offering a reasonable explanation of the situation and a request to not climb or deliver blustery proclamations like a shithead on a power trip. Which did you choose?

I imagine 99.9% of you follow the rules.

I personally have never seen anyone climbing the rock, but others have.

I guess you responders are just to tough to be told what to do, to follow the rules. I guess to "man up" goes for all of us. Believe me, I would have no problem confronting any of you face to face on this issue.

So you're making an ass out of yourself in an attempt to reach 0.1% of the climbing population?


HAHAHAHAHAHA!


Man up? Fuck it, just grow up. You sound like a whiney 5-yr old who doesn't understand how to engage in dialog, and after running their voice hoarse shouting about their narrow point of view, not hearing any of the reasonable and measured comments from others, can only respond with a threat.

Have fun with your crusade.

Those of you who responded to this post probally could care less for the plants and animals.

Yes. And the hunters follow the rules very well. What we need is an open season on climbers!

Climbing all those little rocks got you feeling tough! I see from this post you understand how to engage in dialog.

I would love to stay here and fight with you all, but I have a life. So, good luck to all you weekend destroyers.

All you internet tough guys!

Have a little respect for what brings you so much joy on the weekends. I imagine 99.9% of you follow the rules. Those of you who responded to this post probally could care less for the plants and animals. Not going to let something so petty stand in your way of making it to the top, right.

This posting is in response to anthony130's photo of him climbing a rock that is off limits to climbing. It is like rubbing salt in an open wound. No, I cant make an arrest. I can photograph the climber and the climbers plates and turn them over to authorities.

I personally have never seen anyone climbing the rock, but others have. There are rare plants and animals that call those rocks home. Have a little respect and share a little. There are many more people who enjoy those plants and animals than people who enjoy climbing. In the end we will win and it will put a stain on rock climbing in general.

I guess you responders are just to tough to be told what to do, to follow the rules. I guess to "man up" goes for all of us. Believe me, I would have no problem confronting any of you face to face on this issue.

So you expect the mods and photo eds to go through every picture and video submitted and cross check them with a database of restricted climbing areas??

YES, Especially those that are posted under area's that are already designated as CLOSED.

RC.com is inherently responsible for not allowing closed area's to be publicized here. If this is too much to handle than perhaps you have bitten off more than you are prepared to chew when you enabled this site to be capable of such acts.


Question... At the time of this post is the picture still posted for public viewing?

http://www.rockclimbing.com/...ens_creek_96193.html

Answer... YES


Fix this!!

All you internet tough guys!

Have a little respect for what brings you so much joy on the weekends. I imagine 99.9% of you follow the rules. Those of you who responded to this post probally could care less for the plants and animals. Not going to let something so petty stand in your way of making it to the top, right.

This posting is in response to anthony130's photo of him climbing a rock that is off limits to climbing. It is like rubbing salt in an open wound. No, I cant make an arrest. I can photograph the climber and the climbers plates and turn them over to authorities.

I personally have never seen anyone climbing the rock, but others have. There are rare plants and animals that call those rocks home. Have a little respect and share a little. There are many more people who enjoy those plants and animals than people who enjoy climbing. In the end we will win and it will put a stain on rock climbing in general.

I guess you responders are just to tough to be told what to do, to follow the rules. I guess to "man up" goes for all of us. Believe me, I would have no problem confronting any of you face to face on this issue.

Ok, one more thing. All the photos posted from the area were put up by a single climber. Has anyone thought of contacting him with his posted email address or by PM and asking (a) whether the pics are within the boundary of the prohibited area, and (b) if so to stop climbing there and remove his photos? If the goal of the OP was to affect an actual change in behavior, rather than just spout off, this would seem like a good first step.

RC.com serves as a database of climbing. Most areas that are closed still have routes and pictures to preserve this information for the future should by some chance landowners allow access. It is not RC.com's job to regulate the community.

I think we are all bored seeing as how the "rock in question" is a tiny ass crappy looking boulder in southern south carolina.

Yes. And the hunters follow the rules very well. What we need is an open season on climbers!

You wouldn't expect a library to remove a chemistry book that had reaction information on how to make various transformations that can be used to make drugs would you?

Yes. And the hunters follow the rules very well. What we need is an open season on climbers!

Ahh what irony.

Here you are trying to criticize this fella for how he came across rather than the point in hand, yet in your first post in this thread you make every attempt to slander and come across as the brash vulgar anti-opinion to my points.

Hypocrites are dime a dozen but you take the cake here.

Perhaps you should have detoxed before spouting off the first thing that came to your head when you chose to be a part of this discussion.

Then who's is it? If its not the Climbers responsibility to regulate themselves then who's is it?

Your kind of reasoning is directly responsible for the closure of a few of the worlds greatest climbing area's.

Methods should be built into the site code that allow users to identify and inform moderators and admin of these kinds of issue's.

If we provide the form to allow for database entry we should also provide a method for the climbers to report violations. A button that accesses a generated report of the item and forwards it to the powers that be.

Just like when you get spam email and they are obliged to offer a method to remove you from their email lists.

Methods should be built into the site code that allow users to identify and inform moderators and admin of these kinds of issue's.

If we provide the form to allow for database entry we should also provide a method for the climbers to report violations. A button that accesses a generated report of the item and forwards it to the powers that be.

Just like when you get spam email and they are obliged to offer a method to remove you from their email lists.

Ok, I'm near convinced you're trolling for muck in this thread, but I'll go ahead and answer you.

1) The site is not in favor of breaking laws of any sort. It does not seek to promote any such behavior and, when informed of said law breaking, takes steps within its means to correct the situation. Usually this means deleting a post from the site, but could potentially mean cooperating with law enforcement if ordered to by the proper authorities. All of this is spelled out in the TOS, which you read and agreed to when you opened an account on this site.

2) We have an entire forum dedicated to suggestions about adding features to the site, you could bring it up there.

3) There is a method currently built into the code that allows users to report this sort of stuff. It's called a private message. You could calmly explain to the offending user the damage they're doing to the ecosystem and climber access, and ask them to take the picture down, and if that fails contact a moderator. Just copy and paste the url address. explain what bugs you and press send, and this volunteer mod team will do their best to resolve the situation justly.

4) I hope you at least said thank you because you have undoubtedly met the nicest, most decent spammers on the planet.

It seems you want others to put in work you refuse to put in yourself, without so much as a please or thank you, which would be the decent thing to do and really works wonders when it comes to asking others to do what you ask. And if you had sent an editor the link with an explanation, the pic would probably be down by now, probably with just a fraction of the views it has now. Just food for thought.

Your doing pretty good till you added in that part.

My position on this particular debate is that the User is right in speaking out against climbing in this area here because we knowingly post pictures of climbing on these rocks even though it is a closed area.

I chose to represent this position mainly because I was so embarrassed by other climbers reactions I needed to make it a point that not all climbers treat issues like they have this one. I saw climbers coming across as indignant, ego driven, and selfish and despite the way the OP came across he still has a valid point.

The work I offered put into this is the counterpoints I made available here in this thread.

Now with your last paragraph it appears you wish to delegate responsibility of any sort of correction of the issue to myself and others. It also appears you are quite frustrated with the amount of work you have put into this issue on your end so your validating your delegating as a result.

IMO It should be RC.com policy not to post images of climbers climbing on rocks that are closed to climbing, as it serves to promote climbing in these area's which threatens access to all climbing area's.

I chose to represent this position mainly because I was so embarrassed by other climbers reactions I needed to make it a point that not all climbers treat issues like they have this one. I saw climbers coming across as indignant, ego driven, and selfish and despite the way the OP came across he still has a valid point.

Now with your last paragraph it appears you wish to delegate responsibility of any sort of correction of the issue to myself and others. It also appears you are quite frustrated with the amount of work you have put into this issue on your end so your validating your delegating as a result.

IMO It should be RC.com policy not to post images of climbers climbing on rocks that are closed to climbing, as it serves to promote climbing in these area's which threatens access to all climbing area's.