Be a real shame if the person defends himself and you're out $15k.

Not aggressive huh? And what about the photo? I don't see legs missing below the knees on your list (which is a pretty huge).

Yes and when you bring your service dog anywhere you need to have a license explaining why you need said service dog available for inspection.

I didn't say that was a picture of me dumbass. I asked a question... and then posted a picture. Don't cry because you ASSumed something. :)

I'd guess it's more likely our (taxpayers) $15K

I didn't say that was a picture of me dumbass. I asked a question... and then posted a picture. Don't cry because you ASSumed something. :)

Yeah, that seems about right.

You seem to be an intelligent person so you had to have know that showing a picture of an attack dog that looks very similar to your service dog would lead to such a reaction.

There's no such thing as a "service animal license you ignorant idiot!! :)

http://www.ada.gov/...ice_animals_2010.htm


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Yeah, that seems about right.

She was referencing the picture of the double-amputee. She assumed THAT picture was me.

I'm calm. Just because I call somebody a dumb ass doesn't mean I'm upset or raising my voice. It just means I'm pointing out that that individual is, from my point of view, being a dumb ass.

Now the picture of my dog doing schutzhund bite work. That's my dog! :) He's full blood GSD and we do lots of agility and schutzhund work on him. He's a beautiful animal! :)

I have my PTSD in check (thanks for looking out though brother)... I just can't believe I've gotten these idiots to respond so much. I think I'm up to 51 replies on this thread and I'm just trying to see how high I can get it...but at the same time... I'm also trying to educate them. I feel it's my civil duty to add links from the ADA explaining the laws and what not.

Just another public service I provide! #neverstopserving

Does everyone has such short memories? Nobody remembers richardvg03 persona from his last stint on RC.com?

You mean you don't remember falling for it so badly?

Sorry, I had to!

My personal opinion on leaving your dog at the base while you go up the cliff for the day: the dog will probably be okay, but it's pretty selfish for you to do that. It's pretty close to tossing your dog outside at night assuming it'll take care of itself. It probably will, until it gets hit by a car.

The dog was trained to serve you. You are it's world, no matter how professional the situation. The dog is there to take care of you, you should return the favor and take care of your dog properly.

Back to the dog discussion. Here is a theoretical.

Scenario 1: a climber brings an extremely well trained and temperamentally-calm dog with him for a weekend of climbing. Out of that entire weekend, the dog is left alone, in the shade, with a bowl of water, for about 3-4 hours, while the owner climbs a 4-5 pitch multi-pitch climb. We are not talking about epic big walls here, if you look at the OP. For the rest of the weekend, the dog is with her owner, there is hiking to and from the climbing involved, probably plenty of chances to explore around the campsite, and plenty of human interaction, including, probably curling up next to her human to sleep...

Scenario 2: a climber decides that he is not going to take his dog with him for the weekend. He has no family or friends in town who can watch the dog, so he checks her into a boarding kennel, a new one, because he has never had to do this before. The dog is left there for the weekend. Realistically, for 3 day,s because he has to check her in on Friday afternoon, and he is getting back tool ate on Sunday to get her, so it would be Monday, before the dog and the owner are reunited.

Do you seriously think that the first scenario is THAT much more stressful for the dog? For the dog that is calm, and trained to do this sort of thing? Sure, kennels have to keep the animals reasonably happy, and the dog will be safe and fed, but she is probably going to spend most of the time indoors, and without individual attention, and in an unfamiliar situation, and missing her owner for the entire weekend, instead of 3-4 hours.


Maybe it is my background, growing up in a place where most dogs were working dogs, expected to do their job, and kept outside, instead of beloved pets sharing the owner's bed, but I honestly don't see a problem with the first scenario.

Herding dogs always slept outside. Hunting dogs slept outside. Guard gods slept outside. Search and rescue dogs slept outside. And people didn't usually have multiple dogs, so it wasn't like the dogs had each others' company... And yes, I suppose they could run out into the street and get hit by a car, or be attacked by a mountain lion. But somehow they never did run randomly into the street, they weren't that stupid, and mountain lions weren't absconding with one dog per night, either. And if they had "feelings" about being sad to be left outside at night, they never showed it. Or people weren't looking for those feelings, because, hey, this was a dog, not a human. This dog had a job, and did it well, and was affectionate and safe around kids (except for chained guard dogs or fighting dogs), and happy to have human attention, and loyal, but still, just a dog.

I really don't think dogs are fundamentally different here. Some breeds are simply not equipped to handle the harsh outside conditions, and some are way too stupid, because they weren't bred for their smarts, and obviously the very small dogs have more predators that could harm them. But the majority of dogs are what they are because of how they were raised and trained, including having "feelings" about being left alone in a cool shady spot for couple hours.

I personally don't have a dog, because the only kind of dog i would like to have is a large dog that needs plenty of outdoor time and exercise, and I would not feel right about having the dog locked inside the house while i went to work every day. But if you DO have a dog, and if the dog IS used to spending 8-9 hours alone every day, while the owner works, how is this any different than leaving her alone at the base of the cliff for couple hours?

...But if you DO have a dog, and if the dog IS used to spending 8-9 hours alone every day, while the owner works, how is this any different than leaving her alone at the base of the cliff for couple hours?

My dog is fine with being left at home while we're working. It's his home. He is definitely NOT ok with being left on the ground by himself while I go climbing. He gets pretty upset, crying, whining, pacing...there is a difference for some dogs.

there should be a big difference between a trained service dog and most other dogs. A service dog has to be of an appropriate temperment, which would be calm and collected.

I still think it's unfair to leave the dog at the base of a route unattended of 8 hours though, regardless of it's temperment.

That's how the ADA is enforced through after the incident litigation, aka you sue the person who's not in compliance.

It's much easier, albeit frustrating, to simply have your papers showing your dogs training and your medical need for a service animal on you to stop the issue in it's tracks.

I think it's insulting that you are comparing yourself to someone who is a double amputee. My laundry list of injuries is as bas as yours, if not worse, but I'm still 100% intact (even if my body really hurts sometimes).

You mean you don't remember falling for it so badly?

Sorry, I had to!