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rockzen
Mar 31, 2003, 1:30 AM
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I don't come to this forum very often, mostly because the topics usually don't interest me. There is likely some good info that I'm missing out on from time to time... :(
As for a guys-room... equality? Sure, I guess it might be nice, but I don't think it would add much value to the site. I can't think of too many topics that I would post in a guys forum that couldn't be posted in the other forums. I'm pretty open person, so I usually talk with my partners, and their opinion counts a lot when it comes to things like spotting them.
Just my opionion...
RockZen
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enigma
Mar 31, 2003, 5:53 AM
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In reply to: personally, i come here for the same reason i read cosmo and redbook -- because it's wise to know what the other team is up to; kinda' like having their playbook. :wink: oh ... and i LIKE to sit down to pee!
Do you really??? Why I ask,Why??? :lol: :lol: :lol:
I post here because its good for the camarderie,good for morale,good for the ladies and because I am one.
Now I guess its okay for the men to read the ladies forum,but .....maybe we should know when they're in town. :lol: :lol: :lol: so we can clean up a bit. :twisted:
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dekenstructor1
Mar 31, 2003, 7:42 PM
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one cannot respond/react to the concerns of others if one does not first know what these concerns are. i choose the preemptive acquisition of knowledge on these concerns to ensure that i can respond respectfully and intelligently in the future as these concerns arise.
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trebclimber
Apr 4, 2003, 2:42 PM
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I think that it is wonderful to have a place on RC where women can discuss common issues, concerns, and joys. As a guy I find it helpful to read some of the forums to gain a better understanding of the problems female climbers face in a predominantly male sport. Understanding those things I can then work on changing any way that I may be contributing detrimentally to the climbing community.
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silk5138
Apr 5, 2003, 5:35 AM
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trebclimber: I think that it is wonderful to have a place on RC where women can discuss common issues, concerns, and joys. As a guy I find it helpful to read some of the forums to gain a better understanding of the problems female climbers face in a predominantly male sport. Understanding those things I can then work on changing any way that I may be contributing detrimentally to the climbing community.
What a nice guy! haha It doesnt bother me if guys see what I write- I see what they write- and i think its great that they care!
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jackvoodoo
Apr 8, 2003, 6:31 PM
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we're all just climbers, doesn't that say it all?
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overlord
Apr 11, 2003, 11:01 AM
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curiosity???? and it always helps to have some insight on how your enemys mind work :P
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socialclimber
May 22, 2003, 10:28 AM
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After wrestling with the really tricky topics of the General ("Trad climbers suck!") and Gear Heads forums, ("Whats the best belay device?")and of course the ever difficult Beginners forum, ("How do I tie my shoes?"), I find the light hearted subject matter of the Ladies room ("Does your period affect your climbing?"), to be like a breath of fresh air. :)
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missedyno
May 22, 2003, 3:22 PM
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yes, we're nice to each other :)
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calamity_chk
May 22, 2003, 3:29 PM
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well, except for that time that T kicked Jules's butt .. or was it the other way around??
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youmeanupthere
May 22, 2003, 7:47 PM
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I read to find out why the ladies won't climb with me.
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jipstyle
May 28, 2003, 7:33 PM
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In reply to: To the boys - what brings you into this room and are you affected by what you read here?
I saw this folder for the first time today (I'm new), and this is the first thread I've read. I poked my nose in because I'm concerned about male - female relations in my favourite sport. :) I want to make climbing, whether outside or in the gym, as comfortable an environment as possible for everyone.
One of the reasons I love climbing is the egalitarian nature of the sport ... men and women have both climbed .14d (yay Josune!!), and I've climbed with more than a few women who float up problems that toss off every guy in our group. In fact, the person who taught me to climb was a woman ... my first coach was a woman ... and the person from whom I currently take instruction is .. you guessed it .. a woman. Climbing is great in this respect, and I want to ensure that it stays that way. :D
I chose this particular thread to read first because I want to read the reactions of the ladies in the forum ... if the consensus seems to be that men are not welcome in this folder, then I'll ignore the folder from now on and interact with y'all in the rest of the forum ... it is certainly big enough. :)
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iridesantacruz
Jun 1, 2003, 11:45 PM
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Its a really cool idea that guys are allowed in here... its not that easy to find info on women in general and women that climb. This forum is informative too, it is a lot more serious them some forums. Though with the idea of a "men's room" i think is pretty bad. There is nothing that guys really want to talk about.. atleast that i can think of. Women have so many more things that need to be adressed to other women, becuase in my opinion women are generally closer then men are.
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christopherjay
Jul 2, 2003, 1:12 PM
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Knowing more about woman, makes me a better man. Being relatively new to climbing (6 mos.) and new to the site, I was apprehensive about reading the womans forum at first. But curiosity struck and now I check in every day. Woman have such a honest view of things and are not afraid to say what's on their mind.. and I love that. Personally, I don't think the guys need their own forum. We seem to dominate the rest of the site as it is. :roll: ...my coupla pennies... keep it up girls!! you rock!!
Chris..........
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the_pirate
Jul 2, 2003, 3:22 PM
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Enigma mentioned wanting to be warned about guys in the ladies room, but posts here show up on the front page and the view topics since your last visit page and the view unanswered posts page.
That said, the first thread I read in the ladies room was this bit about thongs......after that I was hooked. :D
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allan_thomson
Jul 15, 2003, 9:17 PM
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In reply to: I know that a lot of guys peak into the Ladies Room. I was just wondering two things. < To the boys - what brings you into this room and are you affected by what you read here?
Its like reading Womens magazines occasionally - you want to see things from their perspective and even (shades of Hercules Labours) understand them. Plus you want to find out if there's any available climbing totty, near where you live (well I do anyway, but the only Female climber I know is 30 - still she is very good looking..... (lets just hope she doesn't read this, cos I asked if she'd like to partner up - climbing, not other sense- actually I wish either)).
Plus on your first time, you can ask them to "be gentle with me" :wink: :wink:
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watersprite
Jul 15, 2003, 9:40 PM
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ok Allen, that was just wrong. What is a "totty?" I don't think I want to know...
I've been thinking a lot about women in climbing,... and there is a saying in BASE jumping that "girlfriends die." It mean that while 10% of BASE jumbers are women, they have a higher fatality rate (35%). While statistics can be skewed, it points out something I've wondered about climbing. Were the women jumping because their men wanted to show off, and they didn't have the strength or experience to pull it off?
Are mediocre guys taking girls to the crags to teach them climbing in hopes of getting a little action?
I think you really have to be careful who you decide to accept instruction from, and if he has a "romantic" notion, don't climb with him.
The best situation is - I think someone objective can teach you a lot more and then you don't have to worry if he is overstating his qualifications because he has an agenda....
thoughts?
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watersprite
Jul 15, 2003, 9:52 PM
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This is from the BASE jumping website. If you substitute "climbing" for BASE jump" - well, it gives one pause:
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Because of the issues surrounding women in a heavily male pastime, you need to be extra-careful in screening potential BASE mentors. Be certain that you want to BASE jump for you, not him, and that his foremost concern is your safety, not getting into your pants. From the beginning, you must be strong enough, and smart enough to back out of a potentially dangerous situation. Don’t count on the guys at the DZ to be looking out for you—they may be too busy checking you out.
Things for a woman to look for in a BASE mentor:
1) a qualified woman (since the number of these in the world can be counted on my fingers, you may have difficulty finding one)
2) someone who has no romantic interest in you, and in whom you have no romantic interest
3) someone who treats you exactly as they treat any other prospective student
Things to immediately disqualify a prospective mentor:
1) any degree of sexual tension between you
2) any romantic relationship between you
3) a mentor who is not qualified to teach
4) someone who helps or wants you to shortcut the normal learning progression
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allan_thomson
Jul 15, 2003, 11:09 PM
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[quote="watersprite"]ok Allen, that was just wrong. What is a "totty?" I don't think I want to know...
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Totty is just a British nickname for a tasty looking girl.
Seriously though, I was only joking when I said that (Didn't the wink give it away?), mind you I would rather go out with an outdoor girl, than the boring townies I've been with. Talk about clash of interests!.
I certainly wouldn't take an inexperienced girl to the crags just to get some action, and I agree that to do so is highly irresponsable. There are easier and safer ways to get laid. I would quite happily accept tuition off a female climber (I don't care what their gender is, as long as they know what they're doing (climbing before anyone makes an innapropriate joke), and with a female like a male climber, I wouldn't climb with them unless they had more experience than I had (at least at the moment.) I really don't give a damn what gender my partner was, and though I might find them attractive before or after the climb, when I'm belaying, my mind is on the safety of the individual concerned, not on staring at their tits, arse or face (I have belayed for a girl in the past). A dead girlfriend is very bad thing , and once on the rockface, they are your partner, not your girlfriend. There is no point in showing off. But it is a bit patronising to suggest that lads are so enraptured by the girl they find attractive, that all thoughts of safety go out of their head.
By the way would you apply the same logic for gay climbers? What happens if your female instructor was lesbian? Just cos you like someone doesn't mean you have to mope around and act stupid, and go to pieces, and are not capable of climbing with them, and do you not think its a bit unrealistic to expect most climbing lads not to be attracted to a climbing female?
I am very sarcastic sometimes, and your not the first (or the last) to take my humour the wrong way. You made some very important points though, especially regarding unqualified (inexperienced) mentors.
Also if you'd noticed my statment was about experienced climbing girls, not just some girl I asked out. Anyway, I'd admit that experienced climbing girls are probably a damn site better than the men, cos they have more flexibility (due to gymnastics), and they'd be teaching me.
Sorry no offence meant, lighten up cos at the end of the day we're all climbers.
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watersprite
Jul 16, 2003, 12:01 AM
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ok, I'm light already. That site on BASE jumpers scared me. They are just out of their minds...
given that safety concerns should be gender-neutral, I have seen a few threads here re: men losing concentration when "hot" girls are nearby (What was your biggest fall?) and rants about doofuses at the crags with their Bettys (she was on route and crying, and he was making her go up), that I thought it might be a worthwhile topic.
In the end, no man, and no woman either, should play another man's game.
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allan_thomson
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In reply to: ok, I'm light already. That site on BASE jumpers scared me. They are just out of their minds... given that safety concerns should be gender-neutral, I have seen a few threads here re: men losing concentration when "hot" girls are nearby (What was your biggest fall?) and rants about doofuses at the crags with their Bettys (she was on route and crying, and he was making her go up), that I thought it might be a worthwhile topic. In the end, no man, and no woman either, should play another man's game.
I agree strongly. You've just hit the nail on the head.
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rockfool
Jul 17, 2003, 5:35 AM
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We all know that guys will be reading the posts getting put up. If it was something we do not want guys to see we will not post. Its good to get a guys point of view on certain things. Im sure if there was guys room we'd be entering :wink:
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timart
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Is there some thing wrong with a guy wanting to learn more about girls and is there some thing wrong with a girl wanting to learn more about a guy’s option? Both side tend to have very different views. Getting the insight on a Ladies point can help a guy from making an uninformed option or decision.
My climbing partner is a girl and a dam good one. I have learned more from watching her climb then most of the guys. Being that I am not the tallest guy on the rocks watching a girl climber figure out a problem with grace and finesse rather then brute strength helps a ton. If it was not for places like the ladies room I think many questions might go unanswered and that would be a crime.
Guys coming in here to find answer should not be shunned it should be encouraged. I this is a place to find answer to question like “What do you do if you’re belying a person what out weights you” being that most guys out weight the girls they are climbing with. I guess these questions could be asked on a beginners form or to the general public but the answers from here I think are more honest.
Well that is my 2 cents on the topic. Thanks for letting me in.
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watersprite
Jul 25, 2003, 12:01 AM
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I agree with getting different viewpoints...
I may owe Allan an apology, and I don't want to scare anyone away.
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allan_thomson
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Thanks Watersprite, and I apologise if I've wound you up. You seem pretty cool when your not being bitchy. :) :) :) :)
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