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I'm more of a cyclist than a climber, but one of my climbing friends directed me over to this thread. Just wanted to join everyone else in saying thanks JT, for the great info.
I've recently started on the "consume less, exercise more" diet regimen myself, reading dietary labels, etc, and have started to see some slow but steady improvement. I'm probably 30 lbs or so overweight right now from sitting at a desk job all day, and while I'm sure that doesn't hurt as much pedaling as trying to pull it up a cliff side, it sure doesn't help. :) I'm especially interested in the info about adding protein to avoid muscle loss, I'll definitely look into that more.
I do have an actual question to ask that's somewhat on subject though: speaking of body fat measurements, does anyone have opinions on these body fat measuring scales? I'm talking about the ones with the metal pads that take your weight and then estimate your body fat using electrical resistance. I got one recently because it was on sale and while the numbers it gives more or less make sense, I haven't had any medical body fat test so I don't know if it's very accurate.
Thanks!
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kermitzclimber
Mar 16, 2005, 8:19 PM
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Those hand held body fat testers are relatively accurate. Take the results with a grain of salt though. Best way to test is water displacement, if not have it measured at a gym.
I have lost 20 lbs so far and will attempt to lose more. Same as mentioned before, no fad diets, just eating less and lots of excersize. When you want seconds.. don't! Eat until you are not hungry.. not until you are completely full. If you get that full feeling you ate too much.
It also helps to have a wife yell at you if you go to get seconds. :shock:
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deadpointman
Mar 25, 2005, 6:50 AM
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It's pretty simple. Eat fruits, vegetables and whole grains as your primary source of carbohydrates. Eat a reasonably large amount of protein to help maintain muscles. Eat fewer calories than you take in. Without doing some aerobic exercise regularly, this can be hard as hell--so do some aerobic exercise regularly. Realize that limiting calories isn't fun. You will feel less energetic, but your body will still climb pretty damn hard if you tell it to. Eating many small meals, though it may be inconvenient, will help keep your energy levels at a decent level. Regularly take a look at your abdomen. Noticing your abs becoming more "ripped" is an excellent motivator. I guarantee this advice will work, but your mind has to be strong. Keep your mind strong. Good luck, and climb harder!
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Overweight?? Want to loose a few extra pound?? None of those diet pills are working???...RUN FATTY!!!!!! Soory, but it really bothers me when people complain about how hard it is to loose weight. I mean, if you eat healthy and excercise and get lots of sleep...you will be in good shape. Why is America so fat again? Oh yea, because we are a bunch of lazy bastards. If you want to be the best you can be, then the body should come before EVERYTHING else (in my opinion).
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lucas_timmer
Mar 25, 2005, 9:42 AM
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I don't know much about carbs, fat and other stuff like that, but I do know a good and easy way to loose weight.I've posted this somewhere else as well.Here it is:
-Don't eat unneccesary fat(fries,chips stuff like that.)
-Drink a lot of water, preferably 1½ or 2 liters a day.
-Don't drink alcohol
-Don't eat candy and other sugary things you don't need.
If you can do that for 3 months your guaranteed to loose much weight
Good luck :wink:
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Mar 25, 2005, 1:24 PM
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In reply to: Overweight?? Want to loose a few extra pound?? None of those diet pills are working???...RUN FATTY!!!!!! Soory, but it really bothers me when people complain about how hard it is to loose weight. I mean, if you eat healthy and excercise and get lots of sleep...you will be in good shape. Why is America so fat again? Oh yea, because we are a bunch of lazy bastards. If you want to be the best you can be, then the body should come before EVERYTHING else (in my opinion). |
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kpj240789
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The starvation diet works better. If you're fat lay in one spot and avoid eating.
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robman
Mar 25, 2005, 3:23 PM
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Nice job Jay :D
it's that time again. Get lean and start crankin :twisted:
Rob.
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jt512
Mar 25, 2005, 4:52 PM
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In reply to: Realize that limiting calories isn't fun. You will feel less energetic...
If you are feeling less energetic on a diet, then you have cut back too far on calories.
-Jay
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Mar 25, 2005, 5:03 PM
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Well I don't have any weight problems. The precise reason is this. Coffee makes me shit and I like coffee.
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rocksmoker
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Great response jay,
I normally try to eat along those lines, but i was wandering where i can read up on how many calories are burned during excercise. I normally run several times a week and climb more, but i cant lose wieght. I'm only 173 but 5'7. Id like to drop 10 lbs or so to help me out. I'm in college so beer and late night pizzas are killing me.
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nem0
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RockSmoker, If you want to loose weight and you are eating pizza and drinking beer, then stop eating pizza and drinking beer. Its really not that hard. Eat healthy and excersise. Not working? Excersise more and eat better. If you are training like Rocky and eating like an olympic marathon runner, you will get in good shape. Countaing callories is stupid. Getting in awsome shape is easy if you have the drive, no matter who you are or what your genes are.
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robman
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what about nutritional value in 8oz glass of wine of 14% aclcohol content, colories,carbs etc.
Anybody :?:
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In reply to: Great response jay, I normally try to eat along those lines, but i was wandering where i can read up on how many calories are burned during excercise. I normally run several times a week and climb more, but i cant lose wieght. I'm only 173 but 5'7. Id like to drop 10 lbs or so to help me out. I'm in college so beer and late night pizzas are killing me.
well that's college for you switch from beer to bombay and tonic. leave the peperoni and sausauge off the pizza and get thin crust. I love pizza myself. start running. i'm 5'11" 165 lbs, running does wonders, but don't forget to cycle to build up all those leg muscles.
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Apr 3, 2005, 7:29 AM
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OK, that all makes sense. I have a related dilema. How do you do that on a month long business trip where you live in a hotel all the time and cant cook, or control the food well, and can barely shop? (I cant speak the language where I am)
thanks
-Jaben
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Apr 8, 2005, 11:43 PM
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This has been one of the more thoughtful posts on RC and I want to thank Jay.
I'm also interested in "peaking" and weight loss. Let me explain. I'm going to finish a macrocycle of the workout from hell in the coming weeks. I haven't lost any weight but have made significant gains in overall strength. I've been thinking that if I could lose 5 - 10 pounds for 2 weeks or a month while I'm still seeing the benefits of my macro cycle that I could really pull hard and get a bunch of my projects.
What are your thoughts. Is timing a short weight loss period with strenght peaking optimal or should I only lose weight in slow increments?
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Apr 9, 2005, 12:07 AM
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I have used a number of different diets over the years. All of them work. The key is dedication and comittment. If you eat a balanced diet, but eat less, you will be fine. I realize that this won't sell any books without giving it a cool name. Maybe I will call it the Pennsylvania Diet (not for any good reason). Probably not cool enough. Maybe the Alpine Diet would be better (for sales reasons that is). Just take in less calories that you burn in a day and you will lose weight. How much less? If you aren't losing weight, less than you eat now.
This is not meant to be a comical response. You could spend a lot of time figuring out how much protein and carbs to take in, formulate an exact ammount of fat and measure that against your cardio, or you could just eat less of everything you eat now. Unless your diet sucks (and you can probably figure that out) you will be fine. You will lower your weight and quickly increase your strength to weight ratio.
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jt512
Apr 9, 2005, 12:23 AM
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In reply to: This is not meant to be a comical response. You could spend a lot of time figuring out how much protein and carbs to take in, formulate an exact ammount of fat and measure that against your cardio, or you could just eat less of everything you eat now. Unless your diet sucks (and you can probably figure that out) you will be fine. You will lower your weight and quickly increase your strength to weight ratio.
You will definitely lose weight, but as athletes, we want to maximize the amount of weight we lose from body fat and minimize the amount of weight we lose from muscle, and to do that requires a bit more carefully designed diet than just cutting back on calories across the board.
-Jay
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dredsovrn
Apr 9, 2005, 1:00 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: This is not meant to be a comical response. You could spend a lot of time figuring out how much protein and carbs to take in, formulate an exact ammount of fat and measure that against your cardio, or you could just eat less of everything you eat now. Unless your diet sucks (and you can probably figure that out) you will be fine. You will lower your weight and quickly increase your strength to weight ratio. You will definitely lose weight, but as athletes, we want to maximize the amount of weight we lose from body fat and minimize the amount of weight we lose from muscle, and to do that requires a bit more carefully designed diet than just cutting back on calories across the board. -Jay
That is certainly true, but I don't think most people have the daily/monthly/yearly discipline to follow such strict guidelines for their diet, and still enjoy life. Most people can't even cut the calories, let alone, do it in the right places to conserve muscle. I am proposing a realistic approach that has a higher chance of success for most people.
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jt512
Apr 10, 2005, 1:46 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: This is not meant to be a comical response. You could spend a lot of time figuring out how much protein and carbs to take in, formulate an exact ammount of fat and measure that against your cardio, or you could just eat less of everything you eat now. Unless your diet sucks (and you can probably figure that out) you will be fine. You will lower your weight and quickly increase your strength to weight ratio. You will definitely lose weight, but as athletes, we want to maximize the amount of weight we lose from body fat and minimize the amount of weight we lose from muscle, and to do that requires a bit more carefully designed diet than just cutting back on calories across the board. -Jay That is certainly true, but I don't think most people have the daily/monthly/yearly discipline to follow such strict guidelines for their diet, and still enjoy life. Most people can't even cut the calories, let alone, do it in the right places to conserve muscle. I am proposing a realistic approach that has a higher chance of success for most people.
I disagree that your approach is easier to comply with. There is a whole literature on compliance with diets that shows that keeping track of calories and specific macronutrients in diaries imporoves compliance. Why do you think something as stupid as the Zone Diet "works" so well. It's because people have to compute "blocks" of protein and whatnot. All the freakin' bookkeeping actually improves compliance.
-Jay
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Dear Anne....err...i mean, Jay:
i have found that after several years of being Not-21-Years-of-Age, my midsection no longer retains its perfectly chiseled and honed deliniation of abdominal muscles, rippling and glistening like a fresh young jaguars shoulder blades as it stalks its prey. i was wondering, since i eat rather healthily, except for my once or twice daily intake of Baby Ruth's, doughnuts, pastries- of -various- delicious -goodness, and other sugary substances, why has my gut lost it's sinfully good looking tightness? Also, i eat a lot of Mike-and-Ikes, which say, RIGHT on the package, FAT-FREE, and so, is it bad for me to be eating two king-size packages a day? i mean, they are fat free, for gods sake!
Okay, thanks ahead of time JAY, and i love you.
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In reply to: Dear Anne....err...i mean, Jay: i have found that after several years of being Not-21-Years-of-Age, my midsection no longer retains its perfectly chiseled and honed deliniation of abdominal muscles, rippling and glistening like a fresh young jaguars shoulder blades as it stalks its prey. i was wondering, since i eat rather healthily, except for my once or twice daily intake of Baby Ruth's, doughnuts, pastries- of -various- delicious -goodness, and other sugary substances, why has my gut lost it's sinfully good looking tightness? Also, i eat a lot of Mike-and-Ikes, which say, RIGHT on the package, FAT-FREE, and so, is it bad for me to be eating two king-size packages a day? i mean, they are fat free, for gods sake! Okay, thanks ahead of time JAY
Dear Joe,
I have observed, with ever-mounting horror, your mortifying increase in girth. Since, clearly, your diet is spot on, your recent preponderance toward adiposity must be attributable to your climbing.
I have repeatedly warned you that your penchant for climbing on dime edges up dummy domes at low-angle wastelands such as Chossua Tree and Rubidump, while possibly allowing for a modest increase in finger strength, will ultimately lead to nothing short of obesity. I beg you: give this up and return to the steep sport climbing of your youth before the man-boobs become so obvious that you are too embarrassed to take off your shirt in public.
Sorry, but I don't date fat guys.
-Jay
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Well, if your smart, a good way to stay healthy is eat whatever you want and excercise! All you have to do is be a kayak guide or a rafting guide or something and do that for at least 8-10 hours a day for like say 6 days a week and then make sure you go climbing everyday after work... make sure you bring some huge nice healthy/fatty beef burgers to throw on the grill and some Alaskan summer ale,... oh yeah, and make sure you go climb at least one mountian and a couple peaks every week.
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